tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post8974740989612692489..comments2024-03-23T09:25:42.029-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: The Sikkim patrol clashBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47342173481268167602017-07-14T17:58:19.090-07:002017-07-14T17:58:19.090-07:00It is interesting, to say the least, that you'...<br />It is interesting, to say the least, that you're willing to accept w/o argument or analysis, China's twist to the 1890 agreement when you say "Why then is Beijing pressing its case for the Doklam Plateau so determinedly? The answer is probably that, unlike many claims elsewhere, Beijing has an arguable case here." As has been mentioned by analysts elsewhere (who are clearly not interested in kowtowing to China), China is very selectively interpreting 1890 agreement in its own favor and the same agreement can equally be used to support India's case simply because the agreement makes incorrect assumptions about the lay of the land! You've either not bothered to look at the agreement or would simply prefer to peddle the Chinese line.<br /><br />Any doubts I had about your intentions were quickly clarified when you wrote "China’s foreign ministry claims the Tibet Archives still possess “grass tax” receipts from earlier times. The grazier argument is a powerful one in borderlands peopled by nomadic herders....". You know as well as anyone that China ALWAYS claims historical evidence backs up its claims, in the South China Sea for instance, but has never been able to produce any evidence. Indeed the South China Sea Arbitration tribunal specifically declared that there's no evidence to support China's claim. But rather than point this out on your blog, you've, quite ridiculously, called it a "powerful argument". At this point I think it's quite pertinent to ask: "Who's paying you?Brownian Motionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02826592941462953632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45127769341903871332017-07-07T07:56:01.791-07:002017-07-07T07:56:01.791-07:00Re:"Why then is Beijing pressing its case for...Re:"Why then is Beijing pressing its case for the Doklam Plateau so determinedly? The answer is probably that, unlike many claims elsewhere, Beijing has an arguable case here"<br /><br />This statement is a lot of bull actually,just like most Chinese statements related to the current standoff at Doka La.<br /><br />Article 1 of the 1890 Convention states:<br /> The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the teesta and its affluents from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu and northwards into other rivers of Tibet.The line commences at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier and follows the above mentioned water-parting to the point where it meets Nepal territory.The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the Sikkim Teesta and it's affluents from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu and northwards into other rivers of Tibet.The line commences at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier and follows the above mentioned water-parting to the point wher it meets Nepal territory.<br /><br />According to Sukkimese records Gipmochi is Batang-La,5km north of DokaLa.<br /><br />This clearly means that the territory south of Batang La is Bhutanese,therefore where is the question of Indian troops trespassing into Tibetan(now Chinese)territory?<br /><br />So much for China having a case this time based on the 1890 treaty!!!andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06531448019825751202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43359762152935480642017-07-06T04:50:21.310-07:002017-07-06T04:50:21.310-07:00The Big... Ugly... Inferiority Complex ed... Self ...The Big... Ugly... Inferiority Complex ed... Self Centered... Greedy... Dragon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42111609696046739842017-07-04T21:26:23.840-07:002017-07-04T21:26:23.840-07:00The author suggests 'A clear LAC alignment, re...The author suggests 'A clear LAC alignment, recognised by both sides, would end the imperative to “create facts on the ground”. This would also greatly reduce patrol clashes – and tamp down the nationalism sentiment'.<br />But isn't that the whole point, though seen from the wrong side? Modi and Jaitley, DO NOT WANT to tamp down nationalism. Who kills a golden goose? UPA managed to keep the borders quiet, and just lost all opportunities to 'nationalist sentiment' and, of course, the elections.Alok Asthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362507906160748320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29942670394326781482017-07-04T20:21:53.080-07:002017-07-04T20:21:53.080-07:00Do the Chinese take into consideration that the ai...Do the Chinese take into consideration that the air power balance within operation range of the border is not in their favor? Do they hope to score a quick land victory and declare a cease fire to avoid the impact of indian counter attacks and aerial bombardment?SSanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635211120123472770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-28646326218276827802017-07-04T18:32:43.016-07:002017-07-04T18:32:43.016-07:001890s China was not the current Red Capitalist Chi...1890s China was not the current Red Capitalist China. Does China recognise the non-Communist government? They don't therefore the signature of a non entity per communist China's own manifesto is null and void. In 2012 China did an agreement with India - an agreement can't be reached without considering previous arguments. 1890 must have come up in that. China agreed to the new arrangements the matter should be settled. This Chinese claims, like Abraham's promise - look east west north and south I will give you the land God said to Abraham- need to stop because it is bullying neighbours and smaller countries and playing victim to oppress others is not mandated under international law. Chinese behaviour is unacceptable towards other countries, many of whom are smaller, and there should have been a moral code and ethics attached to the permanent seat at the UN meaning a country can be deposed of their seat under code of conduct.Millard Keyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11977478261887311256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47950485891907496062017-07-04T07:48:48.178-07:002017-07-04T07:48:48.178-07:00Respected Sir
A query comes to mind can a Chinese ...Respected Sir<br />A query comes to mind can a Chinese artillery Battalion in the Doklam plateau cut us completely from the Northeast? Sir i hope you respond<br /><br />Longtime reader first time writerarvindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07024823154842798998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30930390259695926972017-07-04T06:42:13.228-07:002017-07-04T06:42:13.228-07:00Just to clear two crucial facts in your argument:
...Just to clear two crucial facts in your argument:<br /><br />1. Nehru did not endorse 1890 treaty in full. He said - Tibet Sikkim border in north will follow the treaty but in south, where India-Tibet-Bhutan borders are concerned, a negotiated agreement will finalise the border alignment. <br /><br />2. Himalayan watershed principle takes the highest ridge as the border. <br /><br />3. The distance between Chinese claimed Mount Gyemochen and Silliguri corridor is 44 km by air. Even regular firing from a 155mm howitzer can block that route, if not their long range rockets.<br /><br />4. How come China did not think of changing its borderline between 1949-2017? Its only now<br />they have remembered the treaty? How selective memory though ??<br /><br />Indian apprehension is not without justification.<br /> <br />Manu Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30135972685375887272017-07-04T03:15:24.129-07:002017-07-04T03:15:24.129-07:00Sir, thanks for the insight into the developments....Sir, thanks for the insight into the developments. Nice, informative write-up from you as usual. Some media reports have been exploring the possibility of another Indo-China war without delving deep to assess the actual scenario. Regards.Diganta Biswashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05138692911240084370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-31034475904570430472017-07-04T01:08:11.564-07:002017-07-04T01:08:11.564-07:00Very Well Article Sir
China only understands har...Very Well Article Sir <br /><br />China only understands hard power <br /><br />We Need to Raise Additional Artillery Divisons <br />with Many more Missile and MBRL Regiments<br /><br />Though they have so much land ; these Chinese are always looking for an excuse to fight <br /><br />They are Evil people ; Bullies by naturePriyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58572354858224648652017-07-04T00:20:26.159-07:002017-07-04T00:20:26.159-07:00Not easy to recover if Shiliguri is taken by PLAGF...Not easy to recover if Shiliguri is taken by PLAGF. Why Bangladesh will allow Indian army transit facility or Nepal? Massive Chinese attack can be repulsed by only MBRL, artillery and gunship.Eaglenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53772944862008994042017-07-03T22:19:57.103-07:002017-07-03T22:19:57.103-07:00Awesome article . Brings clarity . Praying for our...Awesome article . Brings clarity . Praying for our soldiers . Nitheshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10057927088662833249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45700515089223496272017-07-03T21:13:03.457-07:002017-07-03T21:13:03.457-07:00China's actions have to be viewed historically...China's actions have to be viewed historically.Right from Qin Shi Huang dynasty(221 BCE), to Mao and Deng the country has been dreaming of a divine empire and consolidating. China does not subscribe to Westphalian doctrine. <br /><br />China and India exercise their balance of power differently. This difference of approach is rooted in their respective civilisations. China believes in being a superior strong state and a self arbitrator with clients around. India works to create regional balance by attempting to forge a mutual understanding based on equality of nations.It counts upon outside powers and global institutions to guarantee the maintenance of regional peace. <br /><br />China does not believe in extraneous involvement,because it has not recognised the Westphalian Doctrine-sovreignity of states based upon non interference,equality and comity of nations.nb vishennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11681266335539482372017-07-03T19:53:56.664-07:002017-07-03T19:53:56.664-07:00The present dispensation in the govt is working ha...The present dispensation in the govt is working hard to show off India's new found strength (since 2014). Army leadership seems to be playing along. <br />The threat to Siliguri corridor through Doklam is simply too childish to be taken seriously by any army officer who has completed his JC (Junior Command) course in his career. <br />What is, however, real is the teeming millions in India who remain unfed, uneducated, unadministered and jobless in India, simply for want of investment of govt funds in these areas. Can a country in a condition like this throw away money, lives and growth opportunities like this? Utterly irresponsible.<br />Can we got out of this mess with self pride intact? Definitely. Will a shooting war help Modi further cement his claims of super-patriotism. Unfortunately, yes again. <br /> Alok Asthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362507906160748320noreply@blogger.com