tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post7815058881621278687..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Indian Army matches China man-for-man on the borderBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35497171720926114722017-07-16T00:32:24.265-07:002017-07-16T00:32:24.265-07:00Vietnam defeated China in 1969, India defeated Chi...Vietnam defeated China in 1969, India defeated China in 1967 skirmish, Korean War was virtually a stalemate and the Russian war was a small affair which also ended in a stalemate. 1962 war was a defeat of the wrong policies of the political leadership. Despite our army being outnumbered by twice and wrong deployment of Indian troops, casualties and number of wounded on both sides had only marginal difference. Ultimate result was no loss of territory on either side. Akshai Chin was lost even before 1962 without knowledge of India's incompetent political leadership. It is a different ball game today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17210974912877650115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46543078382848152312013-07-19T02:07:46.895-07:002013-07-19T02:07:46.895-07:00Yes,
Now I know the ratio they have 1 armored div...Yes, <br />Now I know the ratio they have 1 armored division and 3 armored brigades we have only two armored brigades. (if assume 1 division equal to 2 brigades) the ratio is 5:1. china have a clear upper hand<br /><br />In Motorized division they have 1 motorized division and 2 motorized brigades while we have zero. (if assume 1 division equal to 2 brigades) the ratio is 5 : 0 china have a clear upper hand<br /><br />In Infantry division they have 6 division while we have 1 division.<br />the ratio is 6 : 1 china have clear upper hand<br /><br />In mountain division they have 0 division while we have 9 divisions.<br />so the ratio is 0: 9 India have clear upper hand.<br /><br />Infra structure wise china have about 58,000km roads and rail in south west china while we have 1 national high way in A.P. The districs kurung kumey, upper siang, dibang valley, anjaw dist have no trans arunachal highway. These have boarders with china. the changlang district major part have little or no road.<br /><br />Increase the population of forward districts no Muslim migration to this forward districts any way. Need constitution amendment. We have enough trouble in J& K with article 370. Abolish article 370.<br />Bring parity in the muslim population with christian population and hindu population, sick population budhists and animists. So that no body have any upper hand.Then withdraw slowly the army to from the towns into forward bases/barracks. We can take examples from the world over.<br />look at Chittagong hill tracts population now, Tibet population, Baluchistan population, Azad Kasmir population.<br /> <br />I am a novice lay man not an analyst but an Indian.<br /><br />Jay hind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36746287242655855042013-04-25T09:53:28.440-07:002013-04-25T09:53:28.440-07:00"Between them, these four Chinese combined co..."Between them, these four Chinese combined corps muster up nine divisions and five mechanized brigades. The Indian Army matches that with nine divisions on the Sino-Indian border"<br /><br />- So Indian Army is short by 5 Mechanized Brigades so it matches man to man but not machine to machine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21369685056642077422013-04-24T16:14:32.716-07:002013-04-24T16:14:32.716-07:00A classic preemptive strategy deployed by the Chin...A classic preemptive strategy deployed by the Chinese PLA! The Indian fools led by the useless NSA, doesn't have an answer to such a sudden move by China. Indian military planners including the MoD is so inept and lethargic that they cannot even anticipate such Chinese moves. All they can say is "be prepared", when everyone in military knows, we are totally and utterly unprepared. Our time horizon for "preparation" goes into 2020 and beyond! The only strategy India has till then is "sue for peace". China knows this very well. By 2020, China will have a manned space station and the technological gap will only widen. So for the Indians, their strategy of "sue for peace" is a slow-death strategy. Congress is the only political party responsible for such a poor military situation for India. What then are civilian Indians supposed to do, on reading newspaper reports of Chinese aggression? Demand more reservations in all govt. departments based on minority statuses. A hopeless situation for Indians with the existing political system of dynastic politics, especially the Ghandi parivaar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-44539850870790615352013-04-24T08:47:51.467-07:002013-04-24T08:47:51.467-07:00The Precepts of Sun Tzu:
1. All warfare is based ...The Precepts of Sun Tzu:<br /><br />1. All warfare is based on Deception.<br /><br />2. When able to attack, we must seem unable. When using our forces, we must seem inactive. When near we must make the enemy believe we are far away. When far away we must make the enemy believe we are near.<br /><br />3. Hold out baits to the enemy. Feign disorder and crush him.<br /><br />4. If your enemy is of Choleric temper (Indian temper), pretend to be weak and let him grow complacent.<br /><br />5. If his forces are united separate him.<br /><br />6. Attack him where he is unprepared. Appear where you are not expected.<br /><br />So, I say: Do calculations everyday. Build your capability everyday. Don't mock your own fellow Indian everyday. Don't buy foreign weapons everyday. Train hard everyday. Train your men everyday. Train your officers everyday. Train your generals everyday. Shoot CORRUPT GENERALS everyday.Chinese-Indian Ajaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81831412292650980292013-04-24T08:19:42.381-07:002013-04-24T08:19:42.381-07:00Sun Tzu's Precepts to Determine the Victor in ...Sun Tzu's Precepts to Determine the Victor in a War:<br />1. Which of the two Sovereigns is imbued with "Moral Law" ie "in harmony with his people"?<br />2. Which of the two generals has more ability?<br />3. With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven and earth?<br />4. On which side is Discipline more rigorously enforced?<br />5. Which army is stronger - Morally and Physically?<br />6. On which side are officers and men More Highly Trained?<br />7. In which army is greater constancy - in both Reward and Punishment?<br /><br />Measure the Indian Army against the Chinese Army first on the above bases - then you can determine who will win the war.Chinese-Indian Ajaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73769454574246913922013-04-24T06:53:47.704-07:002013-04-24T06:53:47.704-07:00@Sudheendra Singh
Since you think you are more wo...@Sudheendra Singh<br /><br />Since you think you are more worldly and wiser than analysts who do this for a living, why don't you give us your evaluation of Chinese force disposition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-89946041572967532092013-04-24T05:47:37.400-07:002013-04-24T05:47:37.400-07:00DO NOT FORGET:
1. The Chinese defeated American/U...DO NOT FORGET: <br />1. The Chinese defeated American/UN forces in Korea.<br />2. The Chinese defeated India in 1962.<br />3. The Chinese defeated Soviet Union in 1969 and sunk their T-62s.<br />4. The Chinese defeated USA in the Vietnam War.<br /><br />The CHINESE HAVE NO EQUAL in their Preparedness and Tactics!Chinese-Indian Ajaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2819735252194553342013-04-24T05:24:23.396-07:002013-04-24T05:24:23.396-07:00@Ajai sir
India is looking at a scenario of a 2 f...@Ajai sir<br /><br />India is looking at a scenario of a 2 front war with Pak China in very near future.<br /><br />with 2014 fast approaching when US scoots out of Af with tail between 2 legs that will allow Pak to re configure its troop deployment from western section with Af to eastern sector with India.<br /><br />now with China making such deep incursions and even refusing to back off i see a confrontation on a much bigger scale looming.<br /><br />Simply speaking Chinese presence in DBO is an indication of them trying to complete a linkup Tibet to Karakoram.<br /><br />I think India doesnt have those many men or roads for guarding border vis a vis China. by including ITBP into IA fold and merging them with MSC will give us the number. Its high time we revive the Tibetan element of SFF to counter China, which as far as I know is not the case anymore since late 1980s and it now comprises only of Indians<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Joydeep Ghoshjoydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80896033451615513522013-04-24T05:11:23.679-07:002013-04-24T05:11:23.679-07:001. More men/troops: more meat for the enemies'...1. More men/troops: more meat for the enemies' gun fire, either from the air or from the ground.<br /><br />So don't comfort yourself in the "numbers".<br /><br />2. To defeat your enemy, you got to KNOW your enemy, HIS MIND and thinking.<br /><br />Read Sun Tzu's Art of War if you want to square up to the Chinese.<br /><br />3. The counter-balance is <br /> 1. High precision and high intelligence UAVs<br /> 2. More highly manoeverable attack helicopters<br /> 3. More missile concentration, already targetted and pointed at rail routes, bridges and roads everywhere in the Chinese/Tibetan territory north and east of the border.Chinese-Indiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36514502330379543972013-04-23T23:08:33.644-07:002013-04-23T23:08:33.644-07:00@ Anonymous 16:15
Yup, Establishment 22... the SF...@ Anonymous 16:15<br /><br />Yup, Establishment 22... the SFF.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54904723590014130122013-04-23T23:07:49.726-07:002013-04-23T23:07:49.726-07:00Of course 14 Corps has two divisions: 8 Div and 3 ...Of course 14 Corps has two divisions: 8 Div and 3 Div. But 8 Div is on the LoC with Pakistan, not on the China border. So it is not counted in any Sino-India troop calculation.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48858710499469681912013-04-23T22:04:33.386-07:002013-04-23T22:04:33.386-07:00go to any chinese hongkong store and buy something...go to any chinese hongkong store and buy something worth $500- they will bill it as $100, and send it to fool customs, duty and vat, same thing Indian importers are doing- buying at higher, billing at lower price and saving tax...... what i mean to say is that china hides more and shows less, don't underestimate. but that does not mean be afraid. saying that sudden movement in a certain theater is BS. area control and modern battlefield weaponry will lay waste of superior human numbers, making easy airforce targets, and the units that are in adjoining opposite areas can move in to cut their backs, rendering them in a trap like situation, leave the strategy to army, they do it better! we should just concentrate on equipping our army well, developing infra, and leaving behind the hesitation to aggressively end conflicts in our winAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-77763142646702470242013-04-23T21:00:10.455-07:002013-04-23T21:00:10.455-07:00"The document “China’s Armed Forces” has surp..."The document “China’s Armed Forces” has surprised Indian analysts by revealing that the PLA land forces (long regarded as the largest standing army in the world) are actually just half the size that intelligence agencies worldwide had estimated."<br /><br />-------------------------<br /><br />I am surprised that these analysts are surprised!!. <br /><br />These analysts are just proving that they are very gullible.Sudheendra Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00337175568778204617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73083667998580859972013-04-23T19:09:28.171-07:002013-04-23T19:09:28.171-07:00Maybe we whould add 2 more in the planned column? ...Maybe we whould add 2 more in the planned column? Makes the numbers look good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75022440003625197682013-04-23T14:43:22.367-07:002013-04-23T14:43:22.367-07:00A white paper made by china for the world. that in...A white paper made by china for the world. that in itself is suspicious. To allay the fears of neighbouring countries the number of personnel in the standing army might be fiddled with. <br />So is the information, about the quick move ability, which could be propoganda to make India think that China is much more prepared than it actually is, causing it to be wary of them... <br />Kosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9682005405440523662013-04-23T13:03:10.158-07:002013-04-23T13:03:10.158-07:00How much is the authenticity of this Chinese docum...How much is the authenticity of this Chinese document. Mr. RAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-60929656555875655232013-04-23T10:15:34.578-07:002013-04-23T10:15:34.578-07:0014th corps has two divisions not one. 8 div and 3 ...14th corps has two divisions not one. 8 div and 3 div.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36745062652221254602013-04-23T07:46:14.591-07:002013-04-23T07:46:14.591-07:00This is totally a false news to misguide India at ...This is totally a false news to misguide India at the strategic level. Maybe most of the military in China are in reserved benches but that doesn't undermines the matching or superiority of Indian army over the Chinese army. We have to admit that when it comes to technology,quality,quantity,decision making,network,etc the Chinese are far ahead of us. Yes the Chinese will not get a clear run to score a goal in empty field & will get a fitting reply. But by no means they are equal or inferior to Indian strength. Lastly the Chanakya niti always says that never undermine the enemy whether it is China or Pakistan or Maldives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-89456960204597807102013-04-23T06:21:09.670-07:002013-04-23T06:21:09.670-07:00Repel all borders!Repel all borders!Jhoo Enlainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81765432671395075052013-04-23T06:03:02.609-07:002013-04-23T06:03:02.609-07:00one third deployed... shown on paper... inventory....one third deployed... shown on paper... inventory... stock... two third... in storage... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58423210914799430072013-04-23T03:45:06.762-07:002013-04-23T03:45:06.762-07:00Ajai Sir,
What the Special Tibetan Army on the In...Ajai Sir,<br /><br />What the Special Tibetan Army on the Indian soil you were referring to in the 9 PM NDTV news on 22 April 2013?<br /><br />The Special Frontier Force?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64900163743473181012013-04-23T01:04:32.229-07:002013-04-23T01:04:32.229-07:00I think you the deployments slightly wrong there 1...I think you the deployments slightly wrong there 14 corps has 2 divisions 8th and 3rd. Where one is for kargil and another for leh.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07204163969156877926noreply@blogger.com