tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post7176856325548907635..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Military seethes at Pay Commission suggestionsBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62708849426507956492016-03-31T11:27:11.664-07:002016-03-31T11:27:11.664-07:00Well said fogiWell said fogiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66107456459089575082016-03-30T11:21:53.171-07:002016-03-30T11:21:53.171-07:00There very simple solution to resolve the issues :...There very simple solution to resolve the issues :-<br /><br />(a) pay and allowances should be same and equal to same rank and status working in civil or military .<br />(b) Promotion , NFU, allowances and increments also be same of same rank and staus either in civil or military.<br />(c) Difficult/remote area allowances to be equal to all govt employees irrespective of rank and status . Reason for eg difficulty in living in siachen and effect of cold is same for everyone whether he is an officer or jawan or an IAS officer. so remote and difficult area allowances should be same.<br />(d) Ration allowances and free ration should be same irrespective of ranks in army, there is no logic where officers get better ration when both are living in same area and same physical requirement both have.<br /><br />(e) Give only and extra military service pay to diffence personnel , rest everything should be same as civilian counter parts . All will be happy FOGIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10723926970432798991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61190195497415663192016-03-29T04:28:32.459-07:002016-03-29T04:28:32.459-07:00These articles may not have any impact on either b...These articles may not have any impact on either babus or on political leadership. Defense forces should move with time. Time is changing and expecting sentiments to change coarse is irrelevant. If forces feel some thing amiss demand it with full determination and conviction. Somewhere half hearted attempts by defense leadership is responsible for ills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26116985031902019252016-03-28T22:44:30.937-07:002016-03-28T22:44:30.937-07:00Ajai Shukla succinctly brings out the faulty Reco...Ajai Shukla succinctly brings out the faulty Recommendations of the Pay Commission.Why are we to compare Armed Forces with other services at all?Imagine India without the last bastion of reliability.When the civil administration crumbles ,be it Cyclone,Tsunami,mountain Tsunami or the great floods in Srinagar and Chennai,you call the Armed Forces to set right the crisis.Dear Members of the Pay Commission ,why are you blindly Recommonding the best for civil and leave out military?Do we take that the Nation can become ungrateful to soldiers due to you?...Now the Govt and the high level committee have a responsible duty to remove the anamolies.Brig VAM HUSSAIN(Retd)Brig VAM Hussain(Retd)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42647992370567563092016-03-28T10:29:56.176-07:002016-03-28T10:29:56.176-07:00Sir
I understand we are the only country where ar...Sir<br /><br />I understand we are the only country where armed forces pays for its own insurance as one hears,why not add that to your list.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53240437949630781462016-03-27T04:46:03.818-07:002016-03-27T04:46:03.818-07:00Mr Verma, Is the Def Secretary also going to lead ...Mr Verma, Is the Def Secretary also going to lead the troops in a highly specialized counter insurgency ops or in a war?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00014801875859000223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70860148648895912902016-03-26T23:43:00.709-07:002016-03-26T23:43:00.709-07:00Its high time the CPC has a military official in i...Its high time the CPC has a military official in its panel & the so called " Empowered Committee" is headed by both FM & RM alongwith three chiefs to redress the problems logically & satisfactorily.<br />If we don't retain the hierarchy of the "Armed Forces" at the TOP ; be rest assured the quality of the people joining shall be "as we sow so thy shall reap".RAMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12666127919743294386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50363965308600866392016-03-26T12:28:43.041-07:002016-03-26T12:28:43.041-07:00Secretaries in IAS need to put in their place. Wha...Secretaries in IAS need to put in their place. Whats their pride? They are less efficient than the secretary in my office. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35538917486812922952016-03-26T09:45:30.071-07:002016-03-26T09:45:30.071-07:00Why only Cost to Government or CTC, the utility to...Why only Cost to Government or CTC, the utility to Government or profit to company also be considered! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03024154325398975543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72862994630629651132016-03-26T09:09:46.737-07:002016-03-26T09:09:46.737-07:00Retired supreme court judge is appointed as chairm...Retired supreme court judge is appointed as chairman of the pay commissions. The logic and rationale behind this is that no injustice is done to any stakeholder. Here Justice Mr Mathur has completely overlooked this aspect as for as Armed Forces are concerned. It could be because there is no representative from the Armed Forces in the pay commission. Whatever may be the reason, he failed in his duties as chairman of the pay commission. I suggest he should be asked to answer issues raised in the article.Dasilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10090304624716146516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38650937688147409132016-03-26T07:23:41.239-07:002016-03-26T07:23:41.239-07:00I just want to comment that Col Ajay should have d...I just want to comment that Col Ajay should have done little more home work on CAPF. These CAPF pers move from field to field and always comparable to Def services as far as living conditions are concerned but without pension, without MSP, without MACP equal to Def Forces etc and yes without NFU also. No special increments are given to them. Neither they get 2/ 6/13 assured financial up-gradation and promotion as well like Def forces are getting. Any way the list is endless But please CAPF are actually more suffering because living like Def forces they are treated as civilians and this dilemma............ Nautiyal Y Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3095772837709413562016-03-26T02:13:17.249-07:002016-03-26T02:13:17.249-07:00Nicely written.Nicely written.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445873950328661806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53942742069434350112016-03-26T01:03:42.231-07:002016-03-26T01:03:42.231-07:00 Need not gloat over this Paki.This is our interna... Need not gloat over this Paki.This is our internal matter in our open society.We will deal with you regardless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-71249902418505687692016-03-25T22:52:15.431-07:002016-03-25T22:52:15.431-07:00Very well analysed article by Ajay Shukla. While c...Very well analysed article by Ajay Shukla. While civil service personnel draw salary of the Pay Band, reaching the maximum of the pay band with corresponding length of service, Military personnel draw salary restricted to the scale for their rank within the Pay Band by which they can never reach the maximum of the pay band as their civilian equivalents. This in turn also restricts their pensions unlike the apex scale pensions drawn by every civilian govt employee. I wish Mr Shukla had also included tables showing rank wise and length of service wise comparison of salaries and pensions of Defence and Civilian Govt employees. One way out of this discrimination could possibly be a three or five years military service as a prerequisite for entry to civil govt services particularly the IAS. This will take care of many issues and benefit the country immensely.Parabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04141488800199119754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-51226042520198600662016-03-25T21:56:20.345-07:002016-03-25T21:56:20.345-07:00This cost to Govt argument is reaching absurd leve...This cost to Govt argument is reaching absurd levels.It is only in the case of profit oriented factories that you evaluate the cost to profit ratio . How can you evaluate the cost to govt factor in case of a say "FIREMAN OR A SECURITY GUARD" .YOU JUST HAVE TO USE ONLY COMMON SENSE. how do you evaluate the cost of a life saving surgery in a hospital.These are imponderables.<br />it appears that the folks indulging in these sort of reasoning are doing it only for arguments sake.<br />RamaniAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833137269758782934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22893524352598942272016-03-25T11:30:39.946-07:002016-03-25T11:30:39.946-07:00RS
Pay peanuts you get monkeys. Armed forces downg...RS<br />Pay peanuts you get monkeys. Armed forces downgraded below CAPF. OK. Country will get matching <br />performance. Only desperate job seekers will join now.Risk averse individuals to whom getting monthly salary is more important than anything else.They will stay alive and reach pensionable service by following a simple CAPF motto "Hukum modna nahin, Te dakka todna nahin". The state of this country 5/10 years down the line I shall leave to your imagination.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474132526007231317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11168832384782637632016-03-25T09:26:42.006-07:002016-03-25T09:26:42.006-07:00Even as OROP anomalies are yet to be sorted out, s...Even as OROP anomalies are yet to be sorted out, some of the recommendations of 7 CPC relating to pensions of defence services veterans appear to be <a href="https://goo.gl/rfL4j5" rel="nofollow"><b>potential anomalies</b></a> in the making.<br /><br />Services HQs, the media and veteran associations need to take these issues up for resolution. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33232019879785736722016-03-25T07:52:32.677-07:002016-03-25T07:52:32.677-07:00Superb Article but like you and the readers of thi...Superb Article but like you and the readers of this blog the nation does not have any strategic culture so it does not fully understand and appreciate the peace that is brought by the Army always and every time the government asks it to bring in disturbed areas etc. As majority of the law makers did not serve in the Armed Forces and more importantly non of the the political scions served in the military (except Capt Amarinder Singh) like the UK Royal Family and even after someone like Jaswant Singh who was a Defence and Finance minister both about a decade ago could not change the status quo and because in the current cabinet at least 2 distinguished former officers of the Army are Ministers of State..............the decline of the status of the Armed Forces seems to be Fait Accompli...........God have mercy on this nation. Jai Hind !Ravi Singh https://www.blogger.com/profile/16618155089734188260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30214448803909341402016-03-25T02:01:43.618-07:002016-03-25T02:01:43.618-07:00SK says.... Article is good enough to bring the an...SK says.... Article is good enough to bring the anomalies/injustice being meted out to defence officers. It would have been better if the case of Personnel Below Officers Rank (JCOs & ORs) also discussed, who are suffering equally. Is it going to PMO/MOD for their information or remains an ornament for discussion in the blog to get laurels of the retired community? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-74001297794342003512016-03-25T00:41:36.055-07:002016-03-25T00:41:36.055-07:00Unless the Nation recognizes the Armed forces as b...Unless the Nation recognizes the Armed forces as beholders and not as fodders we will continue exchanging mails and reading articles like this.<br /><br />Those occupying higher positions should thank almighty for having reached that because of our selection process which govt is very well aware and should learn to thank the system and try to take stand to get what armed forces deserve.<br /><br />These articles will not help getting any thing out from the govt. The govt has formed their opinion about our utility and lately the Home ministry appears to have taken over lots of responsibility from the armed forces.<br /><br />People is senior places have to act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17424301866773504022016-03-24T23:55:52.511-07:002016-03-24T23:55:52.511-07:00Dear Ajai, I get the feeling the CPC is not as ind...Dear Ajai, I get the feeling the CPC is not as independent as made out to be. Needless to say the short changing to the IA Forces is likely based on directions from thee political hierarchy. But why so? Could it be because of the grouse in which the OROP was handled? And now its payback time?Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10582965726283836832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-51559513199764955842016-03-24T22:23:04.591-07:002016-03-24T22:23:04.591-07:00Why get sentimental, learn to hand over the situat...Why get sentimental, learn to hand over the situation as is done by the AIS. The political class has made its position on responsibilty very unambiguos. The Defence Services must also ensure the Republic Marches on Rajpath in the order of Service Precedence ....... Why keep up this Charade and fool the General Public. The Cabinet Secretary must lead the Republic Day Parade as he leads the Nation everyday..... After all India is different from the Rest of the world in more ways than one!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13697739468020035322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65602415903582909742016-03-24T20:21:40.167-07:002016-03-24T20:21:40.167-07:00WeLL I hope it happens.. Good solution.. but these...WeLL I hope it happens.. Good solution.. but these babu lot thinks they r super efficient. That's why a mob in Haryana overpowered them Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16569559077343770038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53669127238558447492016-03-24T19:08:22.936-07:002016-03-24T19:08:22.936-07:00Money is important but izzat can not be compromise...Money is important but izzat can not be compromised. Through the entire 68 years all agencies of the govt have systematically whittled down the izzat of the fauj. They treat us as enemies not saviours. While they carved the territory within on linguistic, caste basis for their own selfish short term gains, they cleverly abuse the fauj. A dispassionate analysis reveals that we have lost all that Sardar Patel gave us. The idea of the Nation is under serious threat.BBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943198488432215473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35803930518009346112016-03-24T18:56:44.673-07:002016-03-24T18:56:44.673-07:00Army of a country is mirror image of the country,a...Army of a country is mirror image of the country,a happy army means a happy nation alas the contrary is also true,in any case we as nation were ruled by Mughals,Britishers for centuries but have failed to learn our lesson.History is a teacher and time will again teach us to learn from history and past mistakes,but fools are known to commit the same mistake again and again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com