tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post3350135330731817310..comments2024-03-23T09:25:42.029-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Antony faces trouble for statement on army chief's ageBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47068287826703659912012-02-03T03:43:45.730-08:002012-02-03T03:43:45.730-08:00The key question is if the General showed the DOB ...The key question is if the General showed the DOB as 1950 to get admission to NDA as if it was 1951, he would have been underaged. Currently the min age is 16.5 years, if it was the same during that period one should dig into details- with 1951 DOB, he could have applied to NDA only in 1968 by current method- If this argument holds good, then one can say that he manipulated his way to army<br /> -Salilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65787646011569024572012-01-17T23:38:22.028-08:002012-01-17T23:38:22.028-08:00I have faced a situation wherein because of wrong ...I have faced a situation wherein because of wrong records I was declared underage to join Navy way back. I have since lived with the wrong age for good or for worse.<br />The questions are a plenty,<br />1. If born in 1951 was the General underage to even join the NDA let alone be an officer.<br />2. If his records had been corrected much earlier is it not possible that the line of succession would have been much different. So many Lt Generals retire during the tenure of an existing 'Chief' who would otherwise be the senior most after him, to take over.Would the General be the Chief at all if his DOB had been corrected earlier.<br />3. What kind of Honor can he claim to be fighting for when to become chief he accepted the date as 1950, which he now claims under duress. A compromise under duress to become Chief and then rake up issue on technicalities is not 'Honor' Sir. It is opportunism. You waged your tail when it suited you ( agree under duress as you say ) and are now showing eyes when you have nothing to loose.That I am afraid certainly is not 'INTEGRITY'<br />which the General would have been rated Outstanding all his life.Soldiering on...https://www.blogger.com/profile/07182104918557806784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68663960082702832402012-01-04T07:59:04.010-08:002012-01-04T07:59:04.010-08:00It will be wise for the General to step down or va...It will be wise for the General to step down or vacate his office as scheduled in May 12. It is disheartening to note that such an high office of national interest, with legacy and glory attached to it, has been mired by this age row of present COAS.It could well have been avoided by the Gen itself by not forcing his way for consideration of changed date of birth (1951) at this juncture when he has enjoyed all the benefits of promotions and awards with his DOB as on 1950. He should, also, ponder over the fact the what would have been the his fate as well other senior officers had his DOB been corrected as 1951 (as the Gen is claiming now)well in time (say 25 years ago). It would, definitely, have allowed other senior officers to reach higher offices and reap other awards and benefits ahead of Gen VK Singh. I wish good sense will prevail upon all the concerned parties in bringing to the rest this sordid avoidable episode. It is not the question of Army Vs Bureaucracy or who is next in line. Future step will be taken by Govt at appropriate time by selecting worthy candidate who can take over the challenge of leading the mighty force.sukhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11118256494742635268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11314263348921799332011-09-22T21:55:45.853-07:002011-09-22T21:55:45.853-07:00What is being played out in the name of the ‘age i...What is being played out in the name of the ‘age imbroglio’ is nothing but the unravelling of the most obnoxious plot in the theatre of the absurd. If in 1983, the selection to the highest office in the Army descended to “the level of small-town municipal election squabbles”, the current ‘age imbroglio’ has taken it to yet lower level(s) such as the ones which occur in Govt offices on a daily basis, across the length and breadth of the country wherein the Aam – Aadm is made to run around in circles for a sunwai . It is unbelievable that this is also happening in the case of India’s Chief of the Army Staff; the one selected to that exalted position on the basis of proven excellence - sustained under exacting scrutiny (undertaken every year) over nearly four decades - and in whom over a million soldiers repose their absolute trust as also the nation with assets worth billions of Rupees. Indicative of the strange times that we live in! <br /><br />Read my article “ THE AGE-IMBROGLIO: IN SUPPORT OF THE ARMY CHIEF” at : http://aham-gopan.blogspot.com/gopanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166496484768693839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61215550542633131682011-09-19T22:29:32.485-07:002011-09-19T22:29:32.485-07:00Apparently there's some issue in that as well,...Apparently there's some issue in that as well, Col Gill.<br /><br />I agree entirely with your observation that the Part II order of his father's unit needs to be checked. Some news channel said once that he was not born in MH Kirkee, but in a private nursing home in Kirkee (now spelled Khadki, a suburb of Poona/Pune), and that the date of birth was 1949, nad then made to apologize, I was told.<br /><br />The whole thing is too fishy. Whatever may be the truth, there are far too many unpleasant issues at play - MoD trying to pressurize the Army, vested interests and teh Bhappa Sikh community wanting Bikram Singh to be the next Chief, Rajput MPs supporting the present Chief, right or wrong. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.<br /><br />Gautam DasGautamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08322102556635635073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-88705305802277131082011-09-19T21:49:58.556-07:002011-09-19T21:49:58.556-07:00Thanks for bringing the facts out Ajay. There has ...Thanks for bringing the facts out Ajay. There has been a systematic effort by the Congress and those who bear close allegience to it, to malign the Army Chief who is an upright and his own man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17734042730838475112011-09-19T08:13:02.416-07:002011-09-19T08:13:02.416-07:00If you have given two unconditional assurances not...If you have given two unconditional assurances not to rake up the issue and accepting the (later) DOB (as per you) in interest of the organisation, where is the honour in raising the issue after becoming Chief??????<br />And pl pl pl dont say these were signed under duress. Bcoz it would be shameful to accept (1) that you could be put under duress at the ranks of Major & Lt Gen and (2) that you agreed to perpetuate a falsehood bcoz you wanted the rank at that time....honour would have been to refuse then and not turn a turncoat after accepting the rank.<br /><br />The options are open Chief...resign and fight the court battle to regain your honour. Or if you dont want to vacate the post even for a day...announce I will resign the day Govt does not accept my version!!!!! And actually do so That's the honourable way or the Gandhian way boss.<br /><br />And for the armchair `conspiracy theorists' including Pawan and Chandrabhan....only God can plan a succession plan that far....ghapla in defence purchases et all and return of Siachen to Pakistan...wow your imagination knows no bounds huh!!!Bikram must be a fool to nurture Chief ambitions after permitting his son to marry a Paki (actually a muslim from UAE)...but facts dont matter...he is a relation of MMS since he's a Sikh right...can someone specify the relation??? Someone has even linked him in Chattisinghpora case where there is no linkage!!! Incidently he was a Colonel then...must have planned 15 years ahead...If he has that kind of vision and planning...make him the Chief boss.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46732330032035808872011-09-19T02:49:06.441-07:002011-09-19T02:49:06.441-07:001. It is a very simple calculation .If the present...1. It is a very simple calculation .If the present COAS was born in 1951 then he was not eligible to join the NDA as he would have been under age . Hence ,we have to accept his year of birth as 1950 and the Chief should also accept this honourably .<br />2. If one has to be clear of the exact date of birth then one should simply ask for the Part II order of the unit where his father (Col Jagat Singh) was serving at the time of the COAS's birth .And ,as also it could be verified from the records of the Military Hospital where he was born .<br />Rather the COAS SHOULD PERSONALLY PRODUCE these records to prove to all that what his birth year is and absolve him of all the controversy .<br />Col Gillbpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09965916672741243426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-44621654513559769822011-09-18T22:01:25.676-07:002011-09-18T22:01:25.676-07:00It is a clear-cut case of highhandedness of MoD ag...It is a clear-cut case of highhandedness of MoD against the Defence Officers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21432749839219418912011-09-18T08:28:15.910-07:002011-09-18T08:28:15.910-07:00Gentlemen/Anons, Fact is we don't have all the...Gentlemen/Anons, Fact is we don't have all the facts of the case to sit on it's judgment, what we are doing here is akin to media trials with incomplete facts. This shouldn't have been in public domain to begin with. If it's transparency that we are desirous of then we should go the entire distance and let both sides hold press conferences and present their case to the public with all supporting evidences, discretion/confidentiality be damned.Contrarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992371555209860997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46317081598620967412011-09-18T02:22:03.942-07:002011-09-18T02:22:03.942-07:00anon@2251,
1. It does not matter wether a guy is r...anon@2251,<br />1. It does not matter wether a guy is rajput or sikh or kumaoni or gorkha so long as he is doing his job right.<br /><br />2. Wht Gen BK Singh's DIL is doing is of no consequence to Indian Army.Navy Chief Ramdass's daughter married a paki and he became an advocate of "peace" between India and Pak after retirement and got a magssasay but still was very unpopular in the navy.<br /><br />3. As for honour and pride and all that,I believe there is honour in fighting for a right cause rather than retiring in 2012 and going home.<br /><br />4. To sign off,some join the armed forces for honour,pride and glory....others join for money................each joins for what he lacks.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73220771471652439012011-09-18T01:24:45.625-07:002011-09-18T01:24:45.625-07:00No Gentlemen, it is not the question of Vikram Vs ...No Gentlemen, it is not the question of Vikram Vs VK.<br /><br />It is a question of how someone in MS Branch or MoD can even go to the extent of manipulating the date of birth to meet their selfish interests ?<br /><br />It is a question of someone somewhere in favourable position ensuring a line of succession for the the Armed Forces ?<br /><br />It is not a question of change pf date of birth for Gen VK Singh but the question of correct date of birth. The change in date of birth has been brought about by MoD !<br /><br />There is lot said about the rule that date of birth has to be chnaged within two years. How many officers can confirmrf if they were ever asked to verify their date of birth. When does a date of birth becomes relevant in the Armed Forces. When one has no chnaces to be a general.<br /><br />Will any one in the Armed Forces accept that MoD is the ultimate authority to change a citizens records with respect of his date of Birth, place of birth and even if one is a citizen of India at all or not ? Is not that voilative of the fundamental right?<br /><br />MoD has graduated from fixing pathetic pay scales for the Armed Forces, from denial of pension rights to now even fixing dates of birth !<br /><br />Is not that rediculious, illegal and unconstitutional.<br /><br />Govt (the President)has right to remove the Gen on any date and appoint any one as the next COAS( but not based on the date of birth fixed by them illegally and trecheriously) but they have no right to fix the date on which he was born without due process of law.<br /><br />What a low morality of the MoD and their Babus. Instead of improving they are going to lower nadirs day by day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15513567922512541282011-09-17T22:52:22.754-07:002011-09-17T22:52:22.754-07:00How very very interesting.As usual the UPA is adep...How very very interesting.As usual the UPA is adept at digging its own grave.Seen it sooo many times!Hsotuhsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17180565190877730965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54294393298449691222011-09-17T21:16:26.927-07:002011-09-17T21:16:26.927-07:00How can a Confidential document signed by a Lt Gen...How can a Confidential document signed by a Lt Gen be leaked so shamelessly to forward the agenda of getting another year for the Chief in office? Shameful - these generals today have no shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22137318709234418782011-09-17T19:21:07.597-07:002011-09-17T19:21:07.597-07:00OK.
For those who are missing wood for trees.
Gen...OK.<br /><br />For those who are missing wood for trees.<br />Gen VKS was commissioned in june 1970. so 1 year is IMA + 3 years for NDA. so that means - in Jun 1966 he should have been 16 years of age. so calculating it backwards - 1950 is the earliest Gen VKS could have got into NDA. Suppose if we take 1951 as DOB - then he was not even eligible to enter into NDA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5591735068898156622011-09-17T18:58:48.286-07:002011-09-17T18:58:48.286-07:00Falsehoods and canards are being spread....that Bi...Falsehoods and canards are being spread....that Bikram's d-in-law is a paki!!!She's not. She's a muslim from Dubai. Is that an offence???<br />And VK Singh being honest doesn't by any way mean Gen Bikram isnt.....and arnt we parochial about his being a Sikh???? What about 20 Rajput MPs petitioning the Govt supporting VK's cause....Oh no...they were just doing it for the honour and integrity of the country -- was it????<br /><br />If honour is the only issue, why doesnt VK Singh announce that I am doing it for honour and the Govt may retire me in 2012 after accepting my 1951 DOB.......no way....an additional 10 months as COAS are at stake bhai...that's what this hullaboo is all about..<br /><br />everyone knows how easy it is in India to gets a matriculation certificate with desired dates....and this was done on 1968/69 when it was even easier<br /><br /><br />Govt doesnt take decisions on impulses...only after due deliberation..and to think they have not applied themselves in this case may be incorrect. Possibly they donot want to embarass the COASAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24990498727348807642011-09-17T17:55:55.920-07:002011-09-17T17:55:55.920-07:00It appears Mod is being vindictive.What is the tru...It appears Mod is being vindictive.What is the true motive behind all this,only time will tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54046918912123871082011-09-17T10:21:20.233-07:002011-09-17T10:21:20.233-07:00Every one in India is under the impression that th...Every one in India is under the impression that the armed forces are to always behave like the epitome of virtues.This means saying "YES" to whatever the govt says.The problem is that even the armed forces think so. They feel they should set an example of being virtuous. Hence, they buckle down even when the fight is for right reasons.<br /><br /> I do not know why there is some issue about the Chief going to court. Every IAS and IPS guy runs to court if he is sidelined. Take the example of Mr Thomas the EX-CVC. But when it comes to forces,it is incorrect as we are the paragons of virtue.<br /><br /> The funny thing is that even some retired officers think that it is so.Time for a rethink guys......No one is bothered about ur examples....In the game of power,he who does not use his power is thrown away in the dustbin..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42245394084582612122011-09-17T09:34:28.205-07:002011-09-17T09:34:28.205-07:00Shameful on part of MOD. Politicians aim is only t...Shameful on part of MOD. Politicians aim is only to malign the Fauj which they have been looking with suspicion since days of Nehru. Anthony may be having an image of an honest person like MMS but does he have a spine is the questionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84218445982361527662011-09-17T06:57:56.448-07:002011-09-17T06:57:56.448-07:00What kind of defence minister is he? UPA is in pow...What kind of defence minister is he? UPA is in power for seven years could not sign any artillery deal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15326276848650157692011-09-17T06:47:42.463-07:002011-09-17T06:47:42.463-07:00All the corrupt have ganged up against COAS to den...All the corrupt have ganged up against COAS to deny him full tenure. AG has already been indicted by the Supreme Court for his dubious role in 2G scam. Many MoD officials as well as former chiefs have not liked the no nonsense approach of the honest Army Chief,on Sukhna and Adarsh, which has deprived them of their ill gotten wealth. I am sure once they retire the Army Chief, the next man will ensure that Adarsh remains where it is and Sukhna land might again go back to the builders.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06430083748362440807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-89344252935733074422011-09-16T23:30:32.390-07:002011-09-16T23:30:32.390-07:00Dear Colonel,
As the records suggest, there was n...Dear Colonel,<br /><br />As the records suggest, there was never an issue about the age of the chief but someone seems to have made it a case for controversy to force another age on the general.<br /><br />The MoD and media is potraying Gen VK singh as a lier and Antony is doubting his integrity.<br /><br />Is that acceptable to COAS of India?<br /><br />Is that accepatble to the Armed Forces?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32184559320040934892011-09-16T18:46:09.870-07:002011-09-16T18:46:09.870-07:00All this about AG's branch being custodian of ...All this about AG's branch being custodian of officer's details is partially incorrect. Each month units or formations send officers strength return to MS branch which shows, amongst other things, the appointment and date of birth of all officers held on strength of the unit. This is supposed to be officially authenticated by each officer. It may of interest Ajai Shukla ji to access some of these through RTI. For sake of a larger canvas you may like to see 3008s of units and formations VK Singh has served in throughout his life. And ur eyes will open. Everywhere the date is 1950......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81111696789722643642011-09-16T18:42:33.189-07:002011-09-16T18:42:33.189-07:00ARMY CHIEF MUST FIGHT TO DEFEND HIS DOB AND SHOULD...ARMY CHIEF MUST FIGHT TO DEFEND HIS DOB AND SHOULD NOT HESITATE TO APPROACH SUPREME COURT TO GET JUSTICE IN CASE HIS GRIEVANCES ARE NO REDRESSED BY THE GOI.THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT .IF HE CANNOT GET JUSTICE FOR HIMSELF,HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE THE SAME TO HIS 10 LAKS ARMY SOLDIERS.SK VIGGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61185817774011743332011-09-16T18:25:02.983-07:002011-09-16T18:25:02.983-07:00How come there are two dates of birth in the first...How come there are two dates of birth in the first place? There is undoubtedly some hanky panky.<br />The office copy of the classified document finds its way to Ajai?<br />Where has all the Chetwoodien me last gone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com