tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post2782371116548181279..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Making warships happenBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47430125901297915422010-09-28T22:17:43.053-07:002010-09-28T22:17:43.053-07:00If Great Britain and the US go down, we will have ...If Great Britain and the US go down, we will have lost some of our greatest allies. Yes, so far we have been at loggerheads, but look, going forward these two countries are the ones with whom we have the best relationship and common shared values. Who else would you trust? France and Germany? Those guys will happily sell to Pakistan. Russia keeps behaving like con artists, a la Admiral Gorshkov. And India certainly doesn't look like it can go it alone against China+Pak!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39863671866329906922010-09-24T05:03:05.536-07:002010-09-24T05:03:05.536-07:00Suddenly you are gung-ho about L&T and Pipavav...Suddenly you are gung-ho about L&T and Pipavav. You have visited both the shipyards & enjoyed their hospitality. You have been advocating their participation in the navel projects, especially L&T’s for “P-75I sub”. I hope you have not been enrolled by them for their PR job.<br />I do hope for the sake of this country you are independent and fair. In the past also you have changed positions. You had been avid Opponent of Arjun Tank at one point of time favouring import of T-90’s and then suddenly you changed position and supported Arjuns.<br />I hope you are credible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36765911348809708042010-09-23T19:17:12.206-07:002010-09-23T19:17:12.206-07:00Jayant:
I have not permitted your response to Mer...Jayant:<br /><br />I have not permitted your response to Mertz to be posted. It is factual, concise and makes a valid point, but responding to (shallow) comments about India only endows them with authenticity.<br /><br />Best to end this discussion here.<br /><br />Thanks!Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38004776675294998332010-09-23T08:44:46.050-07:002010-09-23T08:44:46.050-07:00I think it is an issue which requires serious thin...I think it is an issue which requires serious thinking.If we r indeed offered these Elizabeth class carriers we should buy it as these would be state of the art ships that would give us a huge leap in sea dominance.these carriers would carry 36 f-35B/C ,AEW like E2D HAWKEYE, don't forget the fact that China is building 4-5 carriers on VARYAG model.By the end of next decade u willfind them moving into indian oceanand needling us the way they do now at our borders.So 2 elizabeth class carriers in addition to 3 carriers(vikramaditya+IAC 1+IAC 2)will give us air power that will secure the entire indian ocean.We can also negotiate for ASTUTE sub tech to build our own SSN's.I see no harm in buying from BRITS if we simultaniously support indegenous shipbuilding.for this we need more budjet for NAVY compared to what we have now.In the past too we have bought VIKRANT and VIRAAT from britain which have served us well.Also this will enhance strategic partnership with british which DAVID CAMEROON is keen to have with us.Shipmakers like PIPAVAV/L&T are just taking off and PIPAVAV already has a huge contract to build patrol vessels for NAVY and L&T is already building hulls for ARIHANT class SSBN.AIRCRAFT CARRIERS are complex projects and these shipbuilders are not ready for that yet. SHAZUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03668736380405774521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46484889790547005772010-09-23T08:05:23.847-07:002010-09-23T08:05:23.847-07:00Heberian,
Why are you so defensive? Truth general...Heberian,<br /><br />Why are you so defensive? Truth generally hurts, though the smart usually learn from it. I have spent lots of time in india and know it quite well. I say the things how i see it.<br /><br />Is this the future you are talking about?<br /> <br />http://news.uk.msn.com/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154740581&page=2<br /><br /><br />Please don't talk about freedom in india....you just killed over a 100 stone throwing innocent people including children. Guess those people don't qualify as humans, right? or will you make another "indian" centric justification.Mertznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-71621581238274891962010-09-23T05:07:45.033-07:002010-09-23T05:07:45.033-07:00Mertz,
I agree that there is a certain amount of ...Mertz,<br /><br />I agree that there is a certain amount of truth in what you say with respect to the aspirations of Indians in general to aspire to move to pastures greener.<br /><br />You say you are Austrian..irrespective of whether you are Austrian or Chinese, let me ask you this... have you looked at the annual immigration numbers of our favorite place on earth, i.e., the USA? Are you telling me that Europeans and Chinese and others dont wish to cross over? Your condecension reeks of patronizing attitude coming from either the hubris of becoming a "great power" or the superiority complex of being from a place with pretensions to a great past.<br /><br />Either way, India, in its own dithering, bumbling, maddeningly slow manner will be ahead of whatever place you are from... both in terms of the freedom its people enjoy while still a developing country... or by virtue of becoming one of the epicentres of the world in economic terms.<br /><br />As for arms and imports, surely we will do what is finally good for the nation ( and a few political pockets for sure, just like in Europe or China). Getting a carrier from the English by itself wont be a bad thing, but letting our private shipbuilding industry rot is a massive mistake. Despite the accepted shortsightness of our beaurocracy, we wont go completely off the track dear Mertz. In the meantime, enjoy your Sachertorte or your kǎo yā as the case might be... and quit worrying about us and our troubles.. people like Col. Shukla will ensure that the common ma here will try and make his voice heard.Heberiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18976857233147689762010-09-23T00:25:37.069-07:002010-09-23T00:25:37.069-07:00I personally think that it would be a great idea t...I personally think that it would be a great idea to get this from the brits...you know it will be delivered on time(relatively)...it will work. it will also massively upgrade your capabilities....the price is not so bad either...especially consider what you will be paying for the c-17s. India will always remain an importer of weapons, its a fact, get used to it. There are many reason but to me the simplest is that...you go to any neighbourhood in india and offer them a foreign passport...they will eat your hand...people in india (on the whole) whether rich or poor have no love it. It is something that is to be used whilst you have no other choice. I know many won't like my post but that is the reality of your current place of residence.Mertznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6915180757765884232010-09-21T23:33:59.191-07:002010-09-21T23:33:59.191-07:00To optimize our resources and develop synergy amon...To optimize our resources and develop synergy among the assets which we already possess, we need a Defence Minister who is committed to such issues. I can think of no better person than Suresh Kalmadi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45568820794123451212010-09-21T23:20:42.443-07:002010-09-21T23:20:42.443-07:00Aha! Col Shukla.. This is what I like about you.. ...Aha! Col Shukla.. This is what I like about you.. you have the ba!!s to commit to a stand and make a statement, instead of beating around the bush like most do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17646883920226554372010-09-21T12:22:27.287-07:002010-09-21T12:22:27.287-07:00India has to leap-frog in its Indigineous Defence ...India has to leap-frog in its Indigineous Defence Manufacturing setup. Sorry to say, oldies need to retire and make way for fresh blood. Too many bureaucratic hurdles make private indegenious participation highly un-rewarding.<br />There needs to be Indian Private Industry competitors to the Government owned defence Research and Manufacturing Institutions such as DRDO, HAL, NAL, ISRO, and others so that the incompetencies in such govt institutions is high-lighted for everyone to see. What India needs is few devoted men who can do effective Project Management and not some "boot-lickers". I am surprised by the fact that our defence scientists get carried away by small successes and don't follow through to complete a marketable system. Prototypes/Demonstrators are not enough. Hope somebody in leadership reads this to correct their behaviour and bring some discipline in their approach. Otherwise its not difficult to understand why CWG is such a mess. Its totally due to the lack of integrity and devotion to duty in the leadership ranks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-71767680450748518592010-09-21T11:03:58.695-07:002010-09-21T11:03:58.695-07:00Threre no strategic thinking or vision in this cou...Threre no strategic thinking or vision in this country is a given fact. That MoD is the most corrupt and useless of all the government departments is also a known fact. On top of this we have the most incompetent defence minister whose only job is to make sure that India totally defenceless and unprepared for any type of situation. I suspect that CIA moles that have infiltrated Congress party are in a large majority still within the CWC. Antony and his minions are a good example of how foreign intelligence agencies are controlling India and nibbling away the root of this country.AKhttp://ak47.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22571266299489187772010-09-21T10:10:40.768-07:002010-09-21T10:10:40.768-07:00very good article, so there is advantage of being ...very good article, so there is advantage of being a ex fauji in journalism, u can seperate the wheat from chaff on defense subject. keep up the good workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-14770130083904102132010-09-21T08:19:10.244-07:002010-09-21T08:19:10.244-07:00One of the most daring article i have ever read! P...One of the most daring article i have ever read! Precise, clear cut but we have to consider positive things from such a deal. Negotiate for a bare minimum price, get the technology, start building new ones immediately. Of-course UK will do no harm to India other than extracting money, but for us important things are security, technology, becoming self-sufficient. We can always build vessels for a cheaper price and can compete with UK & such countries once we master the technology! This is better than what China is doing!(stealing). Learn India, learn business my dear Indians!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54204477519240257192010-09-21T08:16:36.438-07:002010-09-21T08:16:36.438-07:00Now West is passing through their own versions of ...Now West is passing through their own versions of glasnost and perestroika. Nobody bothered for the fall of Soviet empire and none shall bother for other empires. For us primarily India is to rise and that can be possible only with the enhancement of internal capacities and maximum internal coordination and cooperation.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53743841318857610822010-09-21T07:40:21.435-07:002010-09-21T07:40:21.435-07:00As a reader of Broadsword from day one, would just...As a reader of Broadsword from day one, would just say, its just keeps getting better :)<br /><br />V r ur troops Col. Shukla. We(readers/citizens) can send in letters in writing to buttress your battle with Babus(if it helps)<br /><br />Bring it on !<br /><br />As Anon said,<br />Bharat for Bharatiyas !!!!!Deshdaazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03329605077607416577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50378038118961197862010-09-21T07:39:14.241-07:002010-09-21T07:39:14.241-07:00In Response to,
Anonymous
21 September 2010 18:26...<b>In Response to, </b><br /><i>Anonymous<br />21 September 2010 18:26<br /> "We are a banana Republic, export our tax money to......."</i><br />-----------------------------------<br />Dear friend,<br /> Your language says how corrupt you are. No more to judge your point of argument. India has 10% unemployment today. and if we give some opportunity setting up defense production line in India, it will help to check the growing unemployment.<br /><br />And your other point. <b>"malfunctioning weapon"</b> failure and success is a part of a development process. Unless u rectify that bug no single weapon is inducted. <br /><br />Unless we start our self... towards self-reliance, no one going to feed our mouth for free.<br /><br /><b>"One day, we will find all of you and hang you from the lamposts."--</b> <br />You don't need to do hard. We are living in India. <br /><b>Come on Stop your open beak to be fed by other country. Grow up man!!!</b><br><br><br><br><br><br>Mukut Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12950788942385703077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37503688853012707982010-09-21T07:37:35.416-07:002010-09-21T07:37:35.416-07:00Hats off to you Ajay Sir. Nice article. hope the p...Hats off to you Ajay Sir. Nice article. hope the politicos turn a ear to your forumHarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1403096498328407542010-09-21T07:22:02.189-07:002010-09-21T07:22:02.189-07:00where is lsp -5 is it dead and any info about lsp-...where is lsp -5 is it dead and any info about lsp-6 what changes are made in lsp6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29522953693248618302010-09-21T07:07:41.501-07:002010-09-21T07:07:41.501-07:00Shukla ji, how do you expect our government to &qu...Shukla ji, how do you expect our government to "bring together the warship-building eco-system" when we cant even organise ourselves for the Common Weath Games.<br />Frankly I dont care from where they get an AC from as long as they get something and not make the armed forces starve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-74156242205063382762010-09-21T06:56:15.160-07:002010-09-21T06:56:15.160-07:00There is nothing new here - any educated person ca...There is nothing new here - any educated person can see what the problems are and most people with some common sense know how to fix it. But then there is the reality of the situation as many have pointed out. Choking beurocracy, Vested interests, corruption, etc. We cannot eliminate these outside forces, only try to lessen its effects. In that regard I think the Navy has a good compromise by allowing some arms to be imported and at the same time work towards more and more local content. You just can't force a wholesale change on this situation.<br /><br />-cujoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40218096104882634692010-09-21T06:27:49.111-07:002010-09-21T06:27:49.111-07:00Ajay Shukla ji - After this article - I have becom...Ajay Shukla ji - After this article - I have become your airconditioner - not fan - comprende Amigo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9385916845006369902010-09-21T06:07:25.058-07:002010-09-21T06:07:25.058-07:00Dear Ajai,
Really missing your eye opening visits...Dear Ajai,<br /><br />Really missing your eye opening visits to HAL, MDL, GRSE etc. Its nice that you are visiting Pipavav. Can you please also add to your schedule the following places:<br /><br />1. MDL (update on P15A and Scorpene construction)<br />2. GRSE (update on P28)<br />3. HAL (update on IJT)<br />4. CSL (update on IAC)<br /><br />The reason I am asking is that news from these quarters has been very quite recently (barring scorpene). It would be great to get some update on any one of the above.<br /><br />I know its a lot to ask for but I am a greedy jingo.<br /><br />TIA<br />SoumyadeepAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40559133965527559692010-09-21T06:03:59.121-07:002010-09-21T06:03:59.121-07:00Guess what Col. Shukla? You ain't the favorite...Guess what Col. Shukla? You ain't the favorites of BAE no more. No more free tickets for you from now :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86541435963793131492010-09-21T05:56:08.934-07:002010-09-21T05:56:08.934-07:00You all are stupid babus who want the taxpayer for...You all are stupid babus who want the taxpayer for your stupid ass poor quality military equipment made in India so as to benefit your stupid unions and corrupt politicans rather than get the best military equipment for those who live and die on the front lines.<br /><br />Better to let the humble jawan die with a malfunctioning weapon and sink screaming with water in his lungs around the burning pieces of his ship than you lose out on a piece of the spending pie, eh.<br /><br />One day, we will find all of you and hang you from the lamposts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5674441436375051572010-09-21T05:12:36.325-07:002010-09-21T05:12:36.325-07:00We are a banana Republic, export our tax money to ...We are a banana Republic, export our tax money to feed the foreign citizens and force us to live life like beggar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com