tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post9136396440492934480..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: US Marine Corps reaffirms the faith with the F-35. The Marines will buy the carrier as well as the STOVL variantsBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3844917175672423422011-03-19T03:58:04.089-07:002011-03-19T03:58:04.089-07:00"When Broadsword first started out, we had on..."When Broadsword first started out, we had only that category of visitors. Now, thank heavens, we have lots of really good visitors... "<br />Well this is exactly i thought off... but didnt post it first due to want of brevity in comment... Most of them start with something... generally nothing... but as time goes by they would tend to become wiser with knowledge.... so you should be happy as long as there is more participation... still there will be exceptions... and for god sake dont generalize Indianness...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36512460719551761512011-03-18T04:00:48.196-07:002011-03-18T04:00:48.196-07:00@Broadsword who wrote:"..."Don't pos...@Broadsword who wrote:"..."Don't post here, you're a Pakistani".<br /><br />The latter is particularly hilarious! Pakistanis are not supposed to have views? Or is there a Line of Control in cybersphere which they are not supposed to cross and enter Indian blogs."<br /><br />>> Convergence in a debate is reached when objectives and interests are the same. When posters have diverging interests due to rival nationalities as facilitated by cyberspace the debate can NEVER reach a meaningful conclusion and becomes endless. They the Pakistanis have a right to opinion but disrupt the debates posing as indians and due to their different objective derail our discussion to go against our interests. Hence the opposition to them. Luckily US/China don't have such mindlessly trolling rivals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8079818751671860292011-03-18T02:46:18.663-07:002011-03-18T02:46:18.663-07:00@ajai / broadsword
There is a chance that a young...@ajai / broadsword<br /><br />There is a chance that a young officer from IAF knows what aircraft would be bought next while a Col doesn't know what tank would be bought next reason is simple as this; Fg 0ff - IAF No2 sqdrn may be a photocopy assistant helping with photocopying documents (some might have contained been related to mmcra) while you didn't work as a photocopy assistant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17906346351147327312011-03-17T23:06:09.701-07:002011-03-17T23:06:09.701-07:00Your article as well as the various comments pro a...Your article as well as the various comments pro as well as anti are quite entertaining. Whatever our WISH maybe, the selection of aircraft is not within our realm.<br /><br />The babooos, netas and the guys with vested interest would have started lobbying for their choice of aircraft long before a particular MMRCA aircraft was recommended by the IAF. <br /><br />The final selection rests with the idiotic politicians who have their own agenda. Given the choice, MMS would root for a US aircraft given his role in the Indian/US nuclear deal. The US is also dangling the UN Security Council seat carrot and the great strategic partnership.<br /><br />Whether IAF gets the F35 or whatever super-duper plane ultimately depends on the financial position of India. Can it afford to spend tens of billions USD just to acquire a limited number of planes? Would that number be enough to thwart the sino-paki axis? Have we invested enough in R&D and in a military industrial complex to churn out critical components that are imperative in a large scale war where OEMs may not provide the necessary parts because of governmental sanctions or because of geo-politics.<br /><br />What is the need of the day is a large number of 4th generation fighters and bombers that should deter any adventurous enemy.<br /><br />India should invest in billions to kick start cutting edge systems needed for future 5th generation aircraft such as AMCA, FGFA or even 6th generation aircraft of the second half of the 21st century.<br /><br />India should air for self-reliance rather providing hard earned money to foreign defence industries to sell to us aircraft at inflated prices. The money given overseas would be better spend locally which would generate a lot of employment opportunities to Indians and establish a knowledgebale and skilled work force.the terminatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70202904578658358722011-03-17T22:41:24.791-07:002011-03-17T22:41:24.791-07:00Anonymous 00:51:
Not sure if you're quite rig...Anonymous 00:51:<br /><br />Not sure if you're quite right there. I would suggest that you visit a cross-section of defence blogs (I'm sure you already do) and compare the quality of the discussion on foreign (US, Chinese especially) with the discussion on Indian/Pakistani blogs. You'll agree with me after such an exercise that, in the latter category, the debate most often boils down to "You've been bribed by XYZ" or "Don't post here, you're a Pakistani".<br /><br />The latter is particularly hilarious! Pakistanis are not supposed to have views? Or is there a Line of Control in cybersphere which they are not supposed to cross and enter Indian blogs.<br /><br />The real reason is that most visitors to blogs don't have coherent arguments to post. In the absence of those, they have per force to resort to defamation.<br /><br />When Broadsword first started out, we had only that category of visitors. Now, thank heavens, we have lots of really good visitors, many of whom don't agree with me on the F-35. That is something that I can live with and argue about reasonably... and even live quite happily with differences in opinion.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36661422346996436512011-03-17T21:06:47.161-07:002011-03-17T21:06:47.161-07:00@Shukla da,
Yes, you may be dead right about your ...@Shukla da,<br />Yes, you may be dead right about your comments on Fg Off - IAF No 2 sqdrn that he is not from IAF. He is saying he is from 2nd squadron(which is based out of Kalaikunda,West Bengal)and the MKI he flies has a large cross section, but point is are MKI's based in Kalaikunda except during joint exercises????Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76181217592323675202011-03-17T20:20:18.557-07:002011-03-17T20:20:18.557-07:00http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/03/01/35...http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/03/01/353754/avalon-f-35-programme-could-gain-new-partners-in-2011.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42657190652207653072011-03-17T14:29:32.150-07:002011-03-17T14:29:32.150-07:00Is selective blindness another 'Indian' af...Is selective blindness another 'Indian' affliction? For this blog seems to be blind to the criticism of the F-35 for the sake of peddling an absurd argument.<br /><br />The marines, navy and airforce have to support the jet because there is no alternative, 'no plan B'. However the 10,000 or so additional design changes now forseen means it will be a long time before their support (and money) turns into combat aircraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64702995019018807022011-03-17T12:23:24.184-07:002011-03-17T12:23:24.184-07:00I think we should go for F-35. We need best from a...I think we should go for F-35. We need best from all world to face China and Porkistaan.<br />But we will buy F-35 only when it will not come as pain in a**. We need to partner this programe. Who knows once we know all from this program, we can create space war machines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42305993048891387572011-03-17T12:21:53.624-07:002011-03-17T12:21:53.624-07:00"The problem with so many of you is that you ..."The problem with so many of you is that you cannot rise above your Indianness"...<br /><br />Dude chill out! The world contains many jerks and some read blogs... this is humanness and not just patented by Indians...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82320306487299141052011-03-17T10:32:02.799-07:002011-03-17T10:32:02.799-07:00I take great offense that you did not choose to re...I take great offense that you did not choose to reply to my comments :P hehe... just kidding.<br /><br />But, (assuming MMRCA is scraped) I would really like to know your understanding of the role F-35 would play in IAF in the future, in light of the other ongoing projects like the upgraded Su-30MKI, LCA-Mk2/3, AMCA & FGFA.Rahul Reddy Pogulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01366027981801835019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-56237773387417101202011-03-17T09:42:38.534-07:002011-03-17T09:42:38.534-07:00"We need more info on these sort of stats on ..."We need more info on these sort of stats on how an F 35 will eventually perform before we even decide to try it out."<br /><br />Read completely.<br /><br />The major service issues with the F22 were found to be in its radar absorbing skin.<br /><br />The production F35s were planned to be made stealthy by utilizing stealthy structural components itself rather than a separate radar absorbing coating. This was expected to be a low maintenance stealth technology as opposed to the one used on F22. However with testing and validation, large amounts of radar absorbent coating was found to be neccessarry even for the F35, atleast the earlier prototypes.<br /><br />I dont know about the final production models, but I maintain that we wait and see how these sort of stats for an F 35 turn out to be before we jump of the bandwagon. Probably soon after Israel adopts the F35. The Israelis afterall rely on strike aircraft as an alternative to long range artillery and pay a lot more attention to aircraft reliability.<br /><br />The F22 despite being the supreme air dominance fighter as per its claims, has a pretty low mission ready rate and this is one of the reasons the USAF is capping its order. Majority of the technologies in the F35 are ported from the F22. We should wait until at least a squadron of F35 is operated by atleast two airforces before we even consider it.<br /><br />So if our airforce should jump on a bandwagon from the initial risky phase itself, jump on the AMCA bandwagon. I believe the DRDO intends the AMCA to have the same mission roles the F 35 has. <br /><br /><br />As for the Navy, if they're going for an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System etc in the IAC 2 onwards, then the F35 might be an awesome choice. Because the americans plan on using the EALS on their Gerald Ford Class of Carriers and the F 35 is probably well suited for it.<br /><br />RameezAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58813534333168470312011-03-17T08:15:51.094-07:002011-03-17T08:15:51.094-07:00Rameez:
The F-22 requires 20+ hours of service fo...Rameez:<br /><br />The F-22 requires 20+ hours of service for every hour of flight, so we should not buy the F-35?! Huh? Just explain that plz... are we the USAF taking revenge for the F-22?<br /><br />Anonymous 20:22:<br /><br />AMCA kahan jayega? AMCA IAF mein aayega... kabhi na kabhi... kahin na kahin... koi na koi to aayega!<br /><br />Anonymous 21:48<br /><br />Have I been bribed? Alas, I'm so small that nobody even wants to bribe me. Sob!<br /><br />Anonymous 02:23<br /><br />You're trying to be funny, I suspect, but you've inadvertently hit upon what is very likely to happen. Except that it will not necessarily be a US company that cries foul.<br /><br />I really enjoyed your comment about trolling my own blog. What a delicious thought.<br /><br />Fg Off - IAF No 2 sqdrn<br /><br />For such a junior officer --- if at all you're in the IAF, which I'm almost certain you are not --- you have a very clear idea about what will be bought and what will not!<br /><br />A child prodigy clearly! When I was a colonel with 22 years of service, I hadn't the foggiest idea about which tank would be bought next.<br /><br />Manmohan Singh:<br /><br />I propagate American propaganda? Oh yeah! Like the story exposing Lockheed Martin's offset proposal... and the sacking of the Lockheed Martin chief in India.<br /><br />The problem with so many of you is that you cannot rise above your Indianness. If anyone disagrees with you, don't bother trying to argue with facts; instead, simply try to discredit him/her.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41822388211922119382011-03-17T07:45:13.520-07:002011-03-17T07:45:13.520-07:00I think, F-35 is never going to be visible on the ...I think, F-35 is never going to be visible on the Indian radar either from this side or from that side.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39132530977582316482011-03-17T06:37:54.742-07:002011-03-17T06:37:54.742-07:00IAF ROUNDEL OK, SO WE WILL BE SPENDING THE MONEY O...IAF ROUNDEL OK, SO WE WILL BE SPENDING THE MONEY ON THIS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING OUR OWN IT IS A EXPENSIVE AIRCRAFT WE REQUIRE QUALITY AND QUANTITY TOGETHER I AM TALKING ABOUT 2/3RD BORDER OF INDIA WILL BE BLAZING IN A SENARIO WHERE IN PAK-CHI ATTACKS AT THE PRICE ESTIMATED I THINK ONLY 1.5/4TH OF THE BORDER WILL BE PROTECTED AS THE CHINKIS HAVE SOME SUPERIOR WEAPON SYSTEM AND WE WILL HAVE NO OPTION TO DEPLOY EVEN MORE SUPERIOR ONCES SAY SU-30 AND F-35 WITH SOME OTHER LEAVING MIG-29 MIRAGE 2000 AND MIG 27S ON THE OTHER SIDE THINK IT IS NOT JUST NUMBER GAME IT FAR MORE COMPLEX ONE.RATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-92194751123271317082011-03-17T05:25:55.560-07:002011-03-17T05:25:55.560-07:00I am neither supporter of M-MRCA nor of JSF. If i ...I am neither supporter of M-MRCA nor of JSF. If i can a pick, i'll M-MRCA. <br /><br />JSF may sound all rosy but fact must not be forgotten that it is second in line to F-22 and there will be thousands many more points to negotiate. The JSF today is on sale as a never before 'data-fused', 'network-centric' flying gizmo with a sweet little add-on named 'CISMOA'. And this CISOMA is something IAF is not going agree on , at least their present stand says so. Interesting part is that without it, she is not getting even a bit of JSF capability. Wonder, like C-130J, can IAF manage non-US, off the self arrangement? And if IAF manages somehow, will it not be a completely new aircraft having all the difference in world with original JSF. <br /><br />Now, i wonder, what's the advantage in buying JSF (without CISOMA) if equally capable AMCA will be joining three years after its possible induction?Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84268099931263530202011-03-17T02:46:10.670-07:002011-03-17T02:46:10.670-07:00Heights of deterioration of standards. Total Lifaf...Heights of deterioration of standards. Total Lifafa journalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43080164826044275472011-03-17T02:09:43.160-07:002011-03-17T02:09:43.160-07:00I think a plane like the A-10 can kick ass for gro...I think a plane like the A-10 can kick ass for ground support, not the F-35 for IAF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-69293720473273112302011-03-17T01:12:27.545-07:002011-03-17T01:12:27.545-07:00I am pretty sure the Navy will will buy them, the ...I am pretty sure the Navy will will buy them, the F-35B/C seem very promising and both pilots from US and UK seem to be very happy with all its capability. Offcourse a new aircraft will have some teething problems and these will be sorted out noting that USAF, USN etc. by far the largest, most experienced users of aircraft in combat seem very much committed to the F-35. I would certainly love to see the F-35 in IAF/IN roundels, i think a good order of 250 ( 150 F-35A, 50 F-35B, 50 F-35c) would just fit in perfectly. Add to that 250 LCA mk-2, 250 PAKFA, 250 AMCA, 270 MKI and MRCA 230. F-35 i am sure is the ideal replacement for the mirage/ mig-27 roles in the future. A large order would certainly come with good amount of TOT. We'll be the only country in the world to operate 3 stealth fighters, all of them quite different but yet very useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6505564484395628392011-03-17T00:19:48.690-07:002011-03-17T00:19:48.690-07:00@Fg 0ff - IAF No2 sqdrn
Sir, would request you an...@Fg 0ff - IAF No2 sqdrn<br /><br />Sir, would request you and if by some means possible, ACM Naik to read the article(about MMRCA) whose link is posted below: Unfortunately our country is run by elected government and not military and our government is a little bit US or may I say pentagon oriented.<br />http://idrw.org/?p=1084<br /><br />@Ajai: My apprehensions about MMRCA in my earlier comment on this subject today is slowly coming true. But I still want this deal and JSF to be different projects and I want both to happen simultaneously.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67311537477596750122011-03-16T23:57:26.563-07:002011-03-16T23:57:26.563-07:00"Make no mistake all ye sceptics! The Joint S..."Make no mistake all ye sceptics! The Joint Strike Fighter will sport the IAF roundel by 2020. I'm not so sure about the MMRCA".<br /><br />You are dropping political bombshells with these sort of prophecies. Wonder whether there will be pandamonium in the parliament after opposition reads this. But we need a serious debate on F-35 vs MMRCA on parliament and on national television before coming to a conclusion.<br /><br />@Fg 0ff - IAF No2 sqdrn<br /><br />With each passing day, even I(proponent of MMRCA) is becoming increasingly sceptic about MMRCA. Is there a game being played behind our heads? The game is; delay the MMRCA deal, then say it is old technology compared to emerging 5th gen technologies and dump it. A direct fight is going on between Robert Gates and Saint Antony and lets see who blinks first. The first round has been won by Antony(postponment of Indo-US strategic dialogue as Antony is busy campaigning for elections).<br />But must say I would like to see IAF making a choice between Su-34/Rafale/JSF for their future strike fleet.<br /><br />@Ajai: I can't predict at this time,but I would love to see F-35 take off and land on Indian Navy's IAC3 onwards. Not so sure about IAF.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-56956015029102030622011-03-16T23:27:41.435-07:002011-03-16T23:27:41.435-07:00hmm slow news from Broadsword these days...u quit ...hmm slow news from Broadsword these days...u quit reporting or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46394886555244055712011-03-16T23:14:45.878-07:002011-03-16T23:14:45.878-07:00Some of the commentators here need to realize that...Some of the commentators here need to realize that N-LCA is in development and N-AMCA is in the pipeline. I see no place for F-35B/C in our Navy.<br /><br />As for Shukla ji's recommendations for the IAF, I really don't see the point of MMRCA itself, other than for tech transfer, as we have LCA, AMCA, FGFA to meet our future needs. Where in pete's name is F-35 going to fit in?<br /><br />Don't you see the irony in adding an F-35 to the long list of varying platforms IAF has to deal with in the near future (both domestic and foreign) while it's very birth (in the American armed forces' context) was to do away with multiple platforms?Rahul Reddy Pogulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01366027981801835019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54148113779019610002011-03-16T21:43:51.279-07:002011-03-16T21:43:51.279-07:00I too feel like theres a big possibility of F-35 s...I too feel like theres a big possibility of F-35 sporting IAF's or IN's colors.<br />No one can deny the distinct capabilities of an VTOL aircraft, Navy loves its Harriers.<br />F-35 is only possibility as VTOL in future, Yakovlev was the consultant so it got best of both worlds.Rishinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-55411637230603006252011-03-16T21:09:58.346-07:002011-03-16T21:09:58.346-07:00F-35 was supposed to be used by the marines and na...F-35 was supposed to be used by the marines and navy right from the start. They had kept the design requirements of Marines in mind right from the start. This is no big newsParminder Grewalnoreply@blogger.com