tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post8928972727453238269..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Tribunal strikes down divisive army promotion policyBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-77928655941091108202015-10-14T11:01:26.684-07:002015-10-14T11:01:26.684-07:00Can u throw csome light on ur field tenures sob ha...Can u throw csome light on ur field tenures sob hat we can proceed further in this discussion. Hope Gangtok, Srinagar and Jammu don't figure out in those field areas.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05719660155912700475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87322115903199115802015-04-03T06:30:29.286-07:002015-04-03T06:30:29.286-07:00There are internal discriminations also. I am told...There are internal discriminations also. I am told that promotion policy in AMC leans heavily in favour of specialists ignoring non specialists who have no future after the rank of Lt ColAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39455827727523581512015-03-18T23:19:06.975-07:002015-03-18T23:19:06.975-07:00It pains me to see as a civilian so much one upman...It pains me to see as a civilian so much one upmanship between offrs here. Rather tragic I'd say as part of the army ethos and culture also comes from each of you. elders in my family include ad gunners, infantry man and I have relatives in arty as well as armd corps. In the end while there will be bias based on each individuals capability, merit but luck too of getting stuck with a good superior or bad one, I only pray that you are fair and just to those men who may be from other arms who may be reporting to you during various stages of your career. My dad never asked for favors and to tell the truth offrs from other arms gave him better acrs than his own arm. In a way of speaking, it is like life anywhere (even in corporate sector). We'd better be the change for people we command than to spend our careers cribbing about those who command us. I pray that the comradeship be strong among all men in uniform cos come a war, like it or not, each of you are important and need to work together. I'm not qualified to make judgement on calls I didn't take or don't have privy info for. Take it in your stride. There will always be good and not so good men, which one are you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10006763106276695202015-03-13T00:06:00.995-07:002015-03-13T00:06:00.995-07:00BTW any sane guy prefers to be in the field .. and...BTW any sane guy prefers to be in the field .. and field craft is no exclusive baby of the infantry .. a support arm does infantry work and more .. thats realityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66628239309491410712015-03-12T10:44:11.053-07:002015-03-12T10:44:11.053-07:00Ironical.. Offrs martyred.. Fellow offrs encashed ...Ironical.. Offrs martyred.. Fellow offrs encashed promotion avenuesupon them.. Great thinking my fellow inf man.. Did you ever think of your men who still dont have any difference in promotion from other arms.. Ok tell me.. Could you fight if you didnt get amn.. In ur plans you target amn dumps to weaken your enemy.. So who risks life more. Would u fight without engrs with you.. Can you think of war less comn by signallers who always move alone and isolated.. Ok.. What is the difference between risk of arty and aad.. Great deepak kapoor .. Great vk singh.. You became chiefs of army.. And thought only of your own arms.. Do you have the guts to look into the eyes of other arms.. Hide .. Hide now.. There are more Chaudharies rising now.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23760588321307229002015-03-11T06:55:41.864-07:002015-03-11T06:55:41.864-07:00I think in some cases we try to defend the indefen...I think in some cases we try to defend the indefensible. Someone has written that the Home Secretary is an IAS officer and not from the Postal Services. Well said.<br />But pray my dear Sir, the officers we are talking about in the army have competed in the same exam of UPSC whether NDA/CDS. The officers who are being discriminated against probably were higher in merit at the Academy and at the time of commission than a lot of Infantry and Artillery Officers. So, the logic of IAS does not hold good. All cadets are trained to be an Infantry officer.<br />In so far as Opting for services is concerned, what about Mechanised Infantry? Even that arm has been "had" by the army policy makers.<br />Our problem is that the army thinks only of the immediate, we are in the process of becoming a mediocre army, the price of which we shall pay not today but twenty years down the line. It is no more a merit based army but a "Varna" system based army, where the services EME, ASC & AOC are shudras. High time some one set the system right. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-88473014410747183552015-03-10T10:02:53.792-07:002015-03-10T10:02:53.792-07:00frankly speaking, AFT should have penalised the to...frankly speaking, AFT should have penalised the top brass for violating fundamental rights so heavily that in future no person at the top should have dared to take such irresponsible decision causing great damage to the finest institution like Indian Army, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1235399072670714332015-03-10T09:55:18.308-07:002015-03-10T09:55:18.308-07:00DONT PRESENT A FALSE PICTURE ABOUT INFANTRY OFFICE...DONT PRESENT A FALSE PICTURE ABOUT INFANTRY OFFICERS, I SHALL GIVE YOU THE CORRECT PICTURE IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO ACCEPT (IN MOST CASES). GET COMMISSIONED, SERVE IN UNIT FOR THREE YEARS (INCLUDING 05 MONTH YOUNG OFFICER'S COURSE ), MUG UP ALL SLIDES IN THE COURSE EVEN WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING IT A BIT (THATS WHAT MAJORITY INFANTRY OFFICERS DO) (TO PROVE MY POINT JUST ASK INFANTRY OFFICERS ABOUT THE OTHER ARMS AND SERVICES, THEY WILL BE EXPOSED WITH THEIR SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE), GO AS A PLATOON COMMANDER IN NDA/IMA/ACC/OTA, SERVE THERE FOR TWO YEARS, PREPARE FOR JC COURSE AND STAFF COLLEGE, SOMEHOW MANAGE IT THERE(EVEN STAFF COLLEGE VACANCIES ARE BIASED), GO AS A STAFF OFFICER FOR TWO YEARS, COME AND COMMAND AT 14 YEARS OF SERVICE. SO WHERE IS THE SO CALLED BATTLEFIELD SERVICE MY DEAR SIR?????? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39182764501867360992015-03-10T09:45:44.503-07:002015-03-10T09:45:44.503-07:00DONT HIDE BEHIND RIBBONS, MANY HAVE EARNED RIBBONS...DONT HIDE BEHIND RIBBONS, MANY HAVE EARNED RIBBONS BY JUST LIKE THAT, YOU ALSO KNOW WHAT IS ITAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40211847096958234372015-03-10T06:08:56.003-07:002015-03-10T06:08:56.003-07:00We( mech inf) were d worst sufferes of this policy...We( mech inf) were d worst sufferes of this policy. We had only 4 vac of brig in 2007 promo bd. With my profile I should have sailed thro' easily but thr new pro data policy we were made the scape goats and my inf course mates though not upto d march sailed through . Giving me only option of PMR. Incidentally i commanded my mech Bn in South Kashmir having better result than all RR bn in 1 and 2 sector. This step should. Have been taken long time back. G8 decision by AFT. Mech and armr offers will at least equal oportunities.Pradeep dalvinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39129327031766911822015-03-10T03:26:32.129-07:002015-03-10T03:26:32.129-07:00Its nice to see so many people comment on the dist...Its nice to see so many people comment on the distribution of vacancies to benefit Artillery and Infantry. <br />Distribution of vacancies was done by AG's branch. Who was the AG and the Director of the concerned section in 2008? No prizes for guessing: Infantry.<br />These vacancies were foisted on MS Branch where again, who was the MS? Who was the Dy MS(B)? And of course, a couple of gunners were Addl MS (B) and the COAS. So the policy was distorted to benefit infantry, and some titbits thrown Artillery's way to satisfy the COAS.<br />MS Branch was only involved in implementing the policy within the unrealistic parameters laid down by AG's branch.<br />The failure was in the senior officers serving in MS Branch who did not display even the smallest amount of moral courage or honesty, for which they were posted to MS Branch in the first place. For them, it was more important to ensure either that their own arm benefited, or that their boss, who was being parochial was kept happy. In either case, these officers did not deserve to reach higher ranks or be posted in MS Branch.<br />Contrary to popular belief(fuelled by people who don't get their choice posting stations), there are morally upright officers in MS Branch who work for the organisation, and the numbers are large. Only problem is, their actions are never heard of, because good work is never Hot News!<br />The opposition to this policy within MS Branch will probably never be documented!<br />This does not in any way mean that officers in other arms are any better. Those rooting for Pro Rata vacancies today are exactly the same people who did not want it implemented 10 years ago. After decades of grading officers outstanding(and believe me, all officers graded outstanding are nowhere near that standard - if any arm has a large number of officers who're consistently being graded outstanding, it only means that they have really low standards, their gradings are being inflated and their Initiating and reviewing officers are 'Liberal') if people say that a certain arm has better officers, think again - all kinds of officers join all arms and services. So if one or two arms have not really created a revolutionary method of grooming young officers, how can it be that at 16 years service, some arms have a large number of outstanding offices and others don't?<br />So there are a large number of flaws in the way officers are managed, and even those who claim knowledge are really hollow.Colonel Abraham Cherianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641056413777326718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-16040846669496438932015-03-09T20:45:47.391-07:002015-03-09T20:45:47.391-07:00# officer cadets make a choice; to be commissioned...# officer cadets make a choice; to be commissioned into the ASC and work in supply depots, animal transport units, motor transport units, preparing and loading pallets onto transport aircraft for air supply of provisions, equipment. others are commissioned into infantry battalions, learn to train and lead their men in battle, counter insurgency operations. these officers face a more rigorous, demanding tour of duty at significant risk of being responsible for their men being wounded, even killed, besides personal injury.<br />in the civil services the home secretary is never from the postal service, but an IAS officer who has worked in the districts, handled district development, law and order, delivery of public services, although both postal and IAS are selected from the same examinations, interviews conducted by UPSC.<br />if a young man knows that service in the infantry will give him a better chance to command a brigade, division, corps, just as winning a competitive place to the staff college, wellington will give him a better chance of being recognised as brigade major, GSO-1 material, the better type of officer cadet will decide to make his career in the infantry, engineers, armoured corps, artillery.<br />unfortunately in our country, a career in the armed forces is merely an easy route to becoming a gazetted officer, given that the combined defence services examinations are less selective than the staff selection commission's assistant grade selection.<br />instead of being thrilled at barkha dutt's depiction of faujis, and preferring to work in a five star hotel or call centre, we do need young men who enjoy soldiering, and leadership.george ninanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01856262118970125304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30597956143783903192015-03-09T11:38:59.885-07:002015-03-09T11:38:59.885-07:00I hv seen an armd corps Offr wid 11 yrs of service...I hv seen an armd corps Offr wid 11 yrs of service....one ribbon ie 9 yrs long service n three commendation cards...<br />It jus doesn't matter<br />Instead of bloody n bitchy mud slinging by muddy ppl within arms had we appealed for NFU and got some parity aid civil counterparts den it would hv been better for army as such....<br />But god speed cribbos.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54201954350456267092015-03-09T10:51:32.273-07:002015-03-09T10:51:32.273-07:00So does this mean you can enjoy a relatively comfo...So does this mean you can enjoy a relatively comfortable lifestyle for 15 odd years in ordnance depots and still enjoy the responsibility of commanding men who will be better than you in field craft? Wow! <br />Sid Thorathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02001975282125575284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-19704606369958352062015-03-09T01:45:01.622-07:002015-03-09T01:45:01.622-07:00Indian Army sadly is getting cut deep by three cas...Indian Army sadly is getting cut deep by three castes for which today offrs led by their senuor lit will shoot each other rather than the enemy.first being the Type of Entry RIMC,Mil School,NDA,DE,SS,TES and the ACC/SUO.Secondly the Lineyard we wear wherein at mist courses of instr offrs claiming to be gurus are busy pullin up their corps types and last but not the least the caste of a man n his links being today's mantra of upward mobility whether Jat,sikh,mallu,bong,marathi,rajput,yadav n numerous others.Shame offrs are stooping to levels unheard of.Aim being to get that red lipstick on the collar somehow.Forget the role their better halves are playing in dishonouring the uniform.Why complain when mwn don't respect this new so called offr breed whether senior or junior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1402669450598233832015-03-08T00:47:40.600-08:002015-03-08T00:47:40.600-08:00I think Great step by AFT. Now the Chief and the o...I think Great step by AFT. Now the Chief and the organisation should accept it with full heart and implement it. Otherwise if they continue to stick to their stand of opposing the justice, then they should understand that Lt Col Praveen Chowdhary has initiated a fight against injustice like 1857 mutiny and given hope to hundreds of others who will take the battle further but this complete exercise will make the mockery of MoD and armed forces and further create division within the organisation.<br />I hope good sense prevailsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15465567527952095562015-03-07T22:53:51.619-08:002015-03-07T22:53:51.619-08:00Mr prateek,
I am a mechanised forces guy.in my 15 ...Mr prateek,<br />I am a mechanised forces guy.in my 15 years of service. I have seen more field than anyone of my infantry course mates.I have served in CI in peace/high altitude/LC/intense CI..I am also a bar gallantry award winner.and sadly I have served in all these places in command of troops role.lemme see if the army makes me a colonel inaugust.<br />Mr prateek, there are people on both sides.so sorry about your commwent<br /><br />I know of an infantry guy with 11 years of service and two ribbons,,,9 years service and MARUSTHAL<br /><br />God speed...and thanks AFTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36109291158252207292015-03-07T14:23:59.661-08:002015-03-07T14:23:59.661-08:00Sir,
How many days did you serve in field with eit...Sir,<br />How many days did you serve in field with either the assam rifles, rashtriya rifles or with any regular infantry unit?<br />Please tell us about your escapades in siachen & your tales of valour & courage against enemies of the state performed under obviously the most trying conditions.<br />A Modest man you may be but it might be in "larger public interest".prateeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-55757204403337586282015-03-07T11:38:41.610-08:002015-03-07T11:38:41.610-08:00If MS branch made a policy that allowed Infantry a...If MS branch made a policy that allowed Infantry and Artillery to hog all the vacancies, then it was unfortunate and very short sighted. Smacks of petty parochialism ...........with the explicit aim of benefitting these two arms. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85191947862060183762015-03-07T03:24:45.005-08:002015-03-07T03:24:45.005-08:00Obviously, AFT is incompetent to understand reason...Obviously, AFT is incompetent to understand reasoning behind the Army policy.Sadly,writer also is putting up motivated and highly biased comments,clearly showing lack of understanding regarding Army promotion policyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68017948516161470332015-03-07T02:04:38.177-08:002015-03-07T02:04:38.177-08:00Dear BroadSword,
The Infantry (and their cohorts ...Dear BroadSword,<br /><br />The Infantry (and their cohorts from the Izzat-Zero-IQ-Balls fraternity) divided up the promotional vacancies based on the number of units and annual turnover of Colonels at the appointment of commanding officers. What the infantry still hides and denies is that while they may have more units overall, they fall woefully short in quality as well as quantity of Colonels to command infantry (and RR as well as AR) battalions. As a result you have infantry command tenures exceeding two years across the board and touching three years in most cases. Other measures to make up the shortfall is by transferring Colonels from one regiment of the infantry to another e.g., Mahar to Rajput, withing Gorkha regiments etc.<br /><br />On the other hand Colonels from the armoured corps and engineer have command tenures which barely extend to two years, resulting in a faster flow of officers through the 'command funnel' whereas the infantry slows the turnover down to tide over shortages in quality as well as quantity. But thanks to their numbers and short-sighted condescending Generals, and equally clueless (uninterested) Generals of other arms, the imbalance has got worse over the years.<br /><br />We badly need a war to prune these infantry 'pongos' down to size - notwithstanding their phoney claims to pro-rata promotions and goodies based on their claims of being 'perpetually in combat / field / HAA'.<br /><br />No wonder we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel to come up with infantry Generals who are ethically-challenged, much less to speak of their professional abilities.Ghorcharrah Gabbarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66833025962919437292015-03-07T02:04:16.176-08:002015-03-07T02:04:16.176-08:00The article is misleading and distortion of facts....The article is misleading and distortion of facts.No court can ban the right to appeal against its judgement.What tribunal has stayed is - Right to leave. Secondly RM has given directions against appeals related to personal and indl matters like pensions diability etc.Thirdly the AFT has comletely justified the system of promotions in IAF which is by,for andof the fighters only than how cpome it has gone against this policy of Army on pts of merit.<br />Agreed the case by govt/ Army council not fought well.He failed to bring out casuality ratio in War CI etc in respect of Infantry visa vis other. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7889676607996580732015-03-07T02:00:25.853-08:002015-03-07T02:00:25.853-08:00If Manohar Parrikar is against frivolous petitions...If Manohar Parrikar is against frivolous petitions against AFT judgements, then why DACP has not been implemented for 2 yrs? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47336418840828252682015-03-07T00:03:18.320-08:002015-03-07T00:03:18.320-08:00Sir, the pro rata model is the fairest one in the ...Sir, the pro rata model is the fairest one in the given circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24921637014870652202015-03-06T22:52:33.902-08:002015-03-06T22:52:33.902-08:00
Though I DISAGREE with you on MANY
other issues ;...<br />Though I DISAGREE with you on MANY<br />other issues ; I WANT to CONGRATULATE you for this SUCCESS<br /><br />You were perhaps the first Retired <br />Officer to RAISE your Voice against this discriminatory policyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com