tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post7973387852919721040..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: BAE Systems offers to build sophisticated “ultralight” guns in IndiaBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45976533740973784302015-01-19T21:24:56.321-08:002015-01-19T21:24:56.321-08:00What is the status of the Kalyani groups offer to ...What is the status of the Kalyani groups offer to the Indian Army?? That is true Make in India!! What happened to their field trials. Indian jurnos should take pride in spearheading local efforts. Would appreciate a detailed analysis of the indigenous effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-74591893692795068042015-01-19T08:15:37.769-08:002015-01-19T08:15:37.769-08:00Col,
I will be happy to see any gun as long as it ...Col,<br />I will be happy to see any gun as long as it can fire. Anything is better than fighting with stones. My brothers serve in IA along with a nephew.<br /><br />I only hope that we shd not stop our indigenous developments on Dhanush, Bharat Forge & Tata gun<br /><br />ThanksBrahamvakyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864729826013229860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82363787087427147072015-01-18T20:38:54.697-08:002015-01-18T20:38:54.697-08:00tdblog@yahoo.com:
@Rituraj...well said bro...kudo...tdblog@yahoo.com:<br /><br />@Rituraj...well said bro...kudos...that a lot Indians still are wary of any American offer...and rightfully so! None of the American allies have ever benefitted by their association...be it UK, Japan or South Korea.<br /><br />It is better to respect history and stick to a non aligned...especially a non american development especially in defence dept. Only than will India truly succeed in establishing itself independently and assertively!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-59588772126338132392015-01-18T19:23:10.538-08:002015-01-18T19:23:10.538-08:00Screw BAE ! India can make Ultralight howitzers in...Screw BAE ! India can make Ultralight howitzers in India and save a bunch while providing much needed fillip to the domestic private industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4311844197093797562015-01-18T15:05:23.841-08:002015-01-18T15:05:23.841-08:00Nothing is more scandalous and unjustifiable than ...Nothing is more scandalous and unjustifiable than the delay in decision making. BJP has caught the cold feet of UPA. Whole new production line has to come up for the make in India policy. It's as good as kissing it good bye given the IST. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68386194861036423652015-01-18T08:35:15.315-08:002015-01-18T08:35:15.315-08:00Guns, Guns Everywhere,
But not a single good one t...Guns, Guns Everywhere,<br />But not a single good one to fire!!<br /><br />From a Gunner..Thats I!<br />G Karthikeyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12703113457322474331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73982695938016999802015-01-18T06:15:45.949-08:002015-01-18T06:15:45.949-08:00@Rituraj: Good analysis. Also TOT is not even ment...@Rituraj: Good analysis. Also TOT is not even mentioned. As you said, if the Indian government waits for other offers and dhanush, it will be a wise decision. When it comes defence, we desperately need self reliance, so TOT is important. Although if a product has lot of requirements in other countries too or if India has a bulk order and there our domestic capability is far away, then we can consider Make in India. Else instead actually learning something we will just assemble and waste lot of precious energy resources for electricity and we end up gain nothing. So we need to weigh up everything when it comes to defence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290750760324457012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-28653845606512929852015-01-18T04:44:15.855-08:002015-01-18T04:44:15.855-08:00@ Mr. Rituraj : Sir, you may be factually correct....@ Mr. Rituraj : Sir, you may be factually correct. At first they will only assemble the gun and may procure few parts locally. But later they have to produce/procure more and more parts in India. Because India is having cost advantage. Take an example of Ford and Hyundai cars. At first they were importing most of the parts from their parent country. But now almost all the parts are manufactured in India and they are exporting those cars from India. As it is cheaper to produce cars in India. Do not expect that some one will built all the parts of the howitzer in India from day one. M 777 is having lot of Titanium parts and India is the cheapest titanium producer of the world. So they have to procure/make locally. Anyway as far as performance is concern M 777 is much more proven than the guns are mentioned by you. I am not sure that Bharat Forge is offering any light weight 155 mm howitzer. But the Singaporean gun is not battle proven and the company is also blacklisted by MOD.. So we don't have many choices either.Parthasarathihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07701421388606152443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2684424362891324132015-01-18T04:27:36.566-08:002015-01-18T04:27:36.566-08:00Guarantee... Metallurgy... side... ToT...Guarantee... Metallurgy... side... ToT...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65008628898307555292015-01-18T02:05:00.560-08:002015-01-18T02:05:00.560-08:00There are other factors which go against BAE's...There are other factors which go against BAE's offer. <br /><br />1. The BAE offer is only to assemble the gun in India. That is a screwdriver technology which is not needed. BAE is quite silent on manufacture of gun components in India with local raw materials. <br /><br />2. The current BAE offer is a panicked one because Bharat Forge (Kalyani Group) is completing its development of ULH gun in collaboration with another American company. This ULH gun is about to come soon. <br /><br />3. BAE knows it perfectly that once Indian made gun is available, BAE will zero chance to sell any gun to Indian Army. What more, Indian gun would be cheaper and a competitor eventually. SO this is a cheap move to scuttle local ULH gun development. <br /><br />4. The BAE gun would be sold through US FMS. So it will come under ITAR provisions, will be monitored by the US Pentagon and many other restrictions would be imposed on the gun's eventual existence in India. In comparison, Bharat Forge gun would be free from any restriction and a potential export product. <br /><br />5. BAE will keep the IP of its ULH gun and just alllow its license production. Its not even ready to provide its IP and complete TOT to its previous Indian partner Mahindras or OFB for local complete manufacture. The lessons of Dhanush gun are quite vivid. <br /><br />My hunch is that Indian government would wait for while to see other competitors and their products, including Singaporean gun and Bharat Forge option. Then only a decision would come. No doubt, BAE is quite a cunning company.Riturajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42295221128342865782015-01-17T21:03:38.790-08:002015-01-17T21:03:38.790-08:00Comments from MOD: Err! Thanks but we are a little...Comments from MOD: Err! Thanks but we are a little short of fundsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30247879848083050232015-01-17T20:27:20.019-08:002015-01-17T20:27:20.019-08:00It is a proven gun. India should not miss this opp...It is a proven gun. India should not miss this opportunity. Truly a win win situation. India must grab this opportunity. Parthasarathihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07701421388606152443noreply@blogger.com