tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post6793083596821752145..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Roads to readiness: defending the China borderBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-49179016146309745622012-11-26T04:42:37.877-08:002012-11-26T04:42:37.877-08:00Just a reaction to a view posted here:
"Anony...Just a reaction to a view posted here:<br />"Anonymous said...<br />why Gorky is using steam boilers? what about varyag? what power plant Chinese are using? we could have used LM2500 gas turbines in Gorky!!!whats your take Ajai sahib?<br /><br />21 September 2012 12:07"<br /><br />Hi Anon,<br />There was no alternative to retaining the Steam Boilers and Turbines on the Gorky/Vikramaditya. Re-engining the ship would have cost much more in time and money. Only Gas Turbines was an alternate choice, but that would have involved changes to the gear-boxes, shafts and the propulsion screws as well. Humongous task indeed. Simply speaking, a "no-go area".<br /><br />BTW, even the Varyag retains its original design of Steam Propulsion.<br />Anyway this digressing from the topic at hand.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29651421863992906282012-10-01T11:26:36.478-07:002012-10-01T11:26:36.478-07:00No wonder no educated desh bhakt will ever vote fo...No wonder no educated desh bhakt will ever vote for INC. Those who vote for INC are mostly either corrupted traitor or indiffirent illeterate, who anyways sells vote to highest bidder & INC slush with cash is well poised to buy both of these categories. To be precise 27% of us Indians belong to this category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57685808701768503912012-10-01T08:59:51.062-07:002012-10-01T08:59:51.062-07:00Broadsword... @21 September 2012 08:20... http://e...Broadsword... @21 September 2012 08:20... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barrel_Roll... the right example... there to see...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39954547603165230122012-09-29T22:05:22.063-07:002012-09-29T22:05:22.063-07:0050 years to the 1962 war -misfortune of an unprepa...50 years to the 1962 war -misfortune of an unprepared army in face of a superior foe;a nation ruled by INC <br /><br />50 years later : an unprepared army in face of a superior foe; a nation ruled by INC <br /><br />Those who forget history are slated to repeat it ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61657881447877342812012-09-25T09:52:30.508-07:002012-09-25T09:52:30.508-07:00Loved the photo!Loved the photo!Pratik Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045847543302909010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13472952854564506932012-09-24T09:32:39.122-07:002012-09-24T09:32:39.122-07:00Remember the Chinese beat the Soviets to a standst...Remember the Chinese beat the Soviets to a standstill in 1969 and sunk their T-62. This was when China was still an impoverished state and the Soviet Union was the unsurpassed hegemon in all of the east. <br /><br />So, IA should well be pro-active in the defence areas. There should be a division and half of Indian troops for every division of the PLA.AjayNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-16580072822861380122012-09-24T08:35:06.312-07:002012-09-24T08:35:06.312-07:00Can you post some of your genuine posts.Can you post some of your genuine posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-71225848153334881082012-09-23T14:35:31.401-07:002012-09-23T14:35:31.401-07:00The first thing the Chinese would do: DESTROY ALL ...The first thing the Chinese would do: DESTROY ALL INDIAN AIR BASES AND MISSILE BATTERIES! They have some serious satellites watching from up in space. So thy can remove these first with pinpoint accuracy. The next thing they would do, swarm the NE and occupy AP. <br /><br />In Ladakh, Pakistan will coordinate with the PLA and distract the IA. Once IA is bogged down on the west front, th Chinese will bypass and cut a salient right into the heartland. <br /><br />End of Indian excuse, arrogance and laziness. Welcome to the Communist States of Northern India.<br /><br />(That's what the recent trip of the Chinese defence minister was for, to assess Indian preparedness and to establish weaknesses)Ajaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-34214229816097982802012-09-22T12:44:38.239-07:002012-09-22T12:44:38.239-07:00Even if after becoming an ICBM Nuke power we as a ...Even if after becoming an ICBM Nuke power we as a nation do not have developed enough courage, confidence and strategy, then rest assured we will never have that.<br /><br />We will have to prepare deadly traps for the advancing Chinese armies, whatever it translates in modern military parlance. Mr. RAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45278454394929713422012-09-22T10:36:25.644-07:002012-09-22T10:36:25.644-07:00I simply feel that the Indian leadership has alway...I simply feel that the Indian leadership has always lost the war for Arunachal Pradesh and the surrounding areas. I cannot agree with the statement that the India can fend a determined Chinese aggression.<br /><br />I conspire that keeping infrastructure limited is a defensive ploy to break the burgeoning Chinese advance when they enter the Indian territory thus giving it time to fight in the lower plains of Assam.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09406466996455640607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-19222018415433719592012-09-22T08:14:18.714-07:002012-09-22T08:14:18.714-07:00the main reason behind the slow progress by BRO is...the main reason behind the slow progress by BRO is the fact that it is headed by a Lt General from a corps of engineers , who have no experience of road building whatsoever . The matter is further worsened when the charge of a BRO project is given to a brigadier from army who also does not have any experience of road building . by the the time they start to learn something they are posted out . The GREF engineers in BRO who have more than 20 -30 years of experience of working in such terrain are kept on backfoot . <br />matter is further worsened when BRDB who control the BRO is headed by an IAS , who is a hindi writer and in his life time he never seen a road in hills rajunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4303597455948522142012-09-22T00:01:59.681-07:002012-09-22T00:01:59.681-07:00@Rahul 19:31,
Which staff college would that be,C...@Rahul 19:31,<br /><br />Which staff college would that be,Command and Staff College,Quetta?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61354062880606715952012-09-21T23:01:08.182-07:002012-09-21T23:01:08.182-07:00What if we become the aggressor in Sikkim? How wil...What if we become the aggressor in Sikkim? How will China defend itself. Our two divisions against one Cineese platoon at Jalepla(Kuta, Chuha and Panja) and a company at Nathula. May be a battalion at Chubithang. How are they so sure that we will not attack them? <br /><br />All communication lines passing through Tibet are vulnerable to not only interdiction but also sabotage. China is seen as a occupation force in Tibet. <br /><br />Ofcourse when push comes to shove a nuclear threat will always work for us. What do you say. Nayanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14122614027098425190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68740618342847566812012-09-21T08:51:02.214-07:002012-09-21T08:51:02.214-07:00Ajay,
While the photo of the Yak is out of the wor...Ajay,<br />While the photo of the Yak is out of the world, the impression of BRO type tinned hutments behind is blot on Indian state of affairs. It is pity we have small roadside settlements built on BRO tins and sheets.<br /><br />Well that is the reality of the Bharat Bhagya Vidhata (administration and politics)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23822412855560593162012-09-21T07:01:39.172-07:002012-09-21T07:01:39.172-07:00Thats an empty boast. The Chinese will wallop Indi...Thats an empty boast. The Chinese will wallop India anyday. Thats what my army friends used to tell me in Staff College. For the Chinese it will be a walk in the garden.Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4392782263466565342012-09-20T23:37:19.917-07:002012-09-20T23:37:19.917-07:00why Gorky is using steam boilers? what about vary...why Gorky is using steam boilers? what about varyag? what power plant Chinese are using? we could have used LM2500 gas turbines in Gorky!!!whats your take Ajai sahib?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85506483642725720082012-09-20T22:52:19.903-07:002012-09-20T22:52:19.903-07:00While infrastructure and forces are important,what...While infrastructure and forces are important,what is perhaps equally or more so is the message sent out by our civilian and political leadership.<br /><br />Will it continue to be the typical confused and wishy-washy response where the forces/defence ministry think one thing while the MEA appears to be almost obligated to be 'apologetic' to China on the smallest moves India makes to protect itself.<br /><br />What our leadership has to make clear is the day of ' a swift,quick attack to teach India a lesson' are over and if China tries anything against India,there will be a wider reaction.'<br /><br />Unless our leaders show and have that resolve, strengthening of in fracture and our forces may not be not enough.<br /><br />In 1962,woeful equipment and infrastructure did play a role in our defeat,but perhaps more to blame was the totally confused higher leadership,particularly on the bureaucratic/political side. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-31392385020082645702012-09-20T22:16:41.178-07:002012-09-20T22:16:41.178-07:00@Ajai sir
its not just about connectivity of road...@Ajai sir<br /><br />its not just about connectivity of roads, but also about intelligence gathering about activity in the Tibetan plateau and around Karakoram. <br /><br />Also it important to create storage tunnels and all weather air stations to be able to fend of the Chinese. Both need to be beefed up several rungs to stop a repeat of 1962. <br /><br />Oh by the way if you remember long time back when you asked about various aircrafts needed by IAF, I had said we will need atleast 15-18 AWACS-AEWC system. At that time you said it not needed, well this news should convince you.<br /><br />http://ibnlive.in.com/news/iaf-aims-to-induct-15-airborne-warning-control-systems/293629-60-115.html <br /><br />About the Gorshkov RIA Novosti says that 3 of 8 boilers were out malfunctioned due to use of firebricks instead of asbestos lining. However the biggest scare is the rupture of steam pipes made of steel that is not made in Russia but imported from Ukraine.<br /><br />http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120918/176030847.html<br /><br />Also another news says India is looking to replace 2 crashed Mirages, most probably from France or Greece. Is buying 2 aircrafts a good option, whats your say?<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Joydeep Ghosh<br /> joydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6002697420965210462012-09-20T20:15:24.333-07:002012-09-20T20:15:24.333-07:00Arunachal, Middle sector and Ladakh badly need lat...Arunachal, Middle sector and Ladakh badly need laterals for movements between the valleys rather than going up and down then up and then down...<br /><br />That long standing realistic demand seems to have fallen on deaf ears for last sixty years... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6125037384533443882012-09-20T19:50:42.745-07:002012-09-20T19:50:42.745-07:00Theoretically, every road, rail and military unit ...Theoretically, every road, rail and military unit can be destroyed by bombing, artillery, missile strikes, etc. So does that mean that we should just plan on not having them?<br /><br />It is only in movies where you press a button and the target is destroyed. In real life, much of all this will survive the enemy's worst efforts. Survivability is the key.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18848959581089223542012-09-20T08:35:20.763-07:002012-09-20T08:35:20.763-07:00Ajai ji
Same question from my side as Abid....Tho...Ajai ji<br /><br />Same question from my side as Abid....Those infrastructure can be easily destroyed by carrying out smart bombings by our Sukhoi 30or by a surprise tactical missile attack.Rahul Samantanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58484355008445536112012-09-20T04:30:56.401-07:002012-09-20T04:30:56.401-07:00you are talking about the actions after the deploy...you are talking about the actions after the deployments have already happened and using air force would mean taking the war to next level, does Indian govt and esteblishment have that kind of balls? What make you think China would not do the same or worse? The best thing to do here is to stop a such a situation, we need Infra.Int64https://www.blogger.com/profile/01823375639414441710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46295286878773931042012-09-19T21:54:35.927-07:002012-09-19T21:54:35.927-07:00Ajay Sir,
If India is able to quickly destroy tho...Ajay Sir, <br />If India is able to quickly destroy those rail lines and road links at muliple paces, in Tibet with use of Agni and Prahaar missiles, how Chinese will go on rapidly deploying large number of troops?? So dependency on Tibet rail links and their new roads are of less significance. In event of diminished supply lines, their forward troops can be rendered useless. But I agree that India has deployed very less number of armor. Abidnoreply@blogger.com