tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post6365393798290265644..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Chopping prices in the chopper market: Part 3 of a three-part series on India's thrust in helicopter buildingBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87723435150003386822009-07-13T05:00:03.948-07:002009-07-13T05:00:03.948-07:00Hi Ajai
As per CAG report Dhruv can fly more than...Hi Ajai<br /><br />As per CAG report Dhruv can fly more than 15,000 feet.<br />http://www.merinews.com/article/dhruv-fiasco---cag-report-tabled/15775680.shtml<br /><br />Can you post your thoughts please<br /><br />Thanks<br />AnanthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62250079830490867862008-09-23T14:40:00.000-07:002008-09-23T14:40:00.000-07:00ajai, it would also be fine if u publish a few pic...ajai, it would also be fine if u publish a few pics of the new hangar & assembly line that is being constructed behind the ALH final assembly....I have a few pics of the new facility taken about 6 mnths ago...pls gimme ur id if u need them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1389697981530495542008-09-23T14:33:00.000-07:002008-09-23T14:33:00.000-07:00ajai, thanks for posting that pic of my office..yo...ajai, thanks for posting that pic of my office..you made my day..it would be nice of you, if u publish a few pics of the MRO facility, which is beside the Army Aviation Hangar ...and also a pic of the Dhruv at the rainwater leak test jig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38594232691707419332008-09-12T10:09:00.000-07:002008-09-12T10:09:00.000-07:00btw shiv i saw ur post on the naval variantbtw shiv i saw ur post on the naval variantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-49527183642618622172008-09-12T10:02:00.000-07:002008-09-12T10:02:00.000-07:00thanks shiv.. i hope ajai fills in the gapsthanks shiv.. i hope ajai fills in the gapsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11394648301087123622008-09-12T02:13:00.000-07:002008-09-12T02:13:00.000-07:00Max said... Shiv, good to see you here. Since you'...Max said... <BR/>Shiv, good to see you here. Since you're so sure, may I ask whether you know the following?<BR/>1. No. of Dhruvs in service with the armed forces<BR/>2. Are the 159 in addition to what's in service?<BR/>3. Cumulative number of Dhruvs built (including for commercial, exports)?<BR/>4. Cumulative number of Dhruvs on order?<BR/><BR/>Sorry if it's too much but just answer what you can. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>11 September 2008 23:28<BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/>max,<BR/><BR/>1. As of end March 2007, HAL has produced around 70 ALH for the Indian defence services.<BR/><BR/>2. Yes, the 159 is the current orderbook that remains to be delivered. What has been ordered.<BR/><BR/>3. Ajai could answer this better -- not too sure.<BR/><BR/>3. Cumulative Dhruvs on order would therefore be the 159 + those ordered by Ecuador, Peru and Turkey + any civilian purchases. Should therefore hover around 200 choppers.Shiv Aroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-27309055412246758282008-09-11T17:53:00.000-07:002008-09-11T17:53:00.000-07:00Thanks! It makes much more sense now.However, one ...Thanks! It makes much more sense now.<BR/><BR/>However, one question still remains. 24 missiles would cost at USD 24 million (wiki states a unit cost of USD 720K). Maybe increasing the cost to USD 2MM, but still it leaves us with USD 122MM. Is this the cost of associated equipment?<BR/><BR/>well...this is a more advanced version, it can also fly below water ;)...but more seriously, every new missile that is inducted comes with a few 'training' rounds, they generally have a 1:5 ratio(one fore every five live missiles). Also there is some additional software and sensor fusion that we pay for...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33576268943894998622008-09-11T10:59:00.000-07:002008-09-11T10:59:00.000-07:00Shiv: b'Coz the quantities stated in Wikipedia loo...Shiv: b'Coz the quantities stated in Wikipedia look pretty dubious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42048313641692881882008-09-11T10:58:00.000-07:002008-09-11T10:58:00.000-07:00Shiv, good to see you here. Since you're so sure, ...Shiv, good to see you here. Since you're so sure, may I ask whether you know the following?<BR/>1. No. of Dhruvs in service with the armed forces<BR/>2. Are the 159 in addition to what's in service?<BR/>3. Cumulative number of Dhruvs built (including for commercial, exports)?<BR/>4. Cumulative number of Dhruvs on order?<BR/><BR/>Sorry if it's too much but just answer what you can. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61367473686574439492008-09-11T10:55:00.000-07:002008-09-11T10:55:00.000-07:00Ajai, i asked u this earlier: after going all the ...Ajai, i asked u this earlier: after going all the way to Bangalore, did you only take 8 pictures? 2 of which were CG images?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13358173520409726902008-09-11T10:47:00.000-07:002008-09-11T10:47:00.000-07:00Hi Shiv,I was told 76 WSI Dhruvs. The breakdown I ...Hi Shiv,<BR/><BR/>I was told 76 WSI Dhruvs. The breakdown I got was 60 for the army and 16 for the IAF.<BR/><BR/>thxBroadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46500296679294135452008-09-11T09:37:00.000-07:002008-09-11T09:37:00.000-07:00thanks for the nuggets, shiv.thanks for the nuggets, shiv.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73448465136395453572008-09-11T08:57:00.000-07:002008-09-11T08:57:00.000-07:00fighterclass: i'm quite sure a few of the choppers...fighterclass: i'm quite sure a few of the choppers in the LOH procurement are for the Navy, if I remember correctly. Will check and LYK. But about the Dhruv's, that's confirmed. 159 on order, 104 for the Army and 55 for the IAF. that's an official figure from HAL itself in response to a questionaire i sent them some time ago. out of these 159, 66 will be the Weapon Systems Integration variant. Not sure of the breakdown of this 66 between the IA/IAF. Will revert on the LOH for Navy. Don't think the HAL LOH has been sub-allotted between services, but the ones being bought from abroad certainly have.Shiv Aroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67809770085421712672008-09-11T06:22:00.000-07:002008-09-11T06:22:00.000-07:00Don't know the exact breakdown... I'm not certain ...Don't know the exact breakdown... I'm not certain if they've even sub-allotted the HAL production yet.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure someone on the blog would know?Ajai Shuklahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16488839157370084666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84562567590031686342008-09-11T03:45:00.000-07:002008-09-11T03:45:00.000-07:00oho, I thought the LOH was limited to IAF/IA.oho, I thought the LOH was limited to IAF/IA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63085268359668299782008-09-11T01:48:00.000-07:002008-09-11T01:48:00.000-07:00fighterclass: The Navy is part of the light helico...fighterclass: The Navy is part of the light helicopter deal that the armed forces are buying from abroad. these will be used to replace the chetaks.<BR/><BR/>ajai: how many of the HAL-built LOHs will the Navy get?Shiv Aroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38689876554369143362008-09-10T19:37:00.000-07:002008-09-10T19:37:00.000-07:00what associated equipment ? you don't need any ass...what associated equipment ? you don't need any associated equipment.<BR/>India is sybsidising pakistan's next batch of f-16.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37891452569689697822008-09-10T15:47:00.000-07:002008-09-10T15:47:00.000-07:00@ Annonymous,Thanks! It makes much more sense now....@ Annonymous,<BR/><BR/>Thanks! It makes much more sense now.<BR/><BR/>However, one question still remains. 24 missiles would cost at USD 24 million (wiki states a unit cost of USD 720K). Maybe increasing the cost to USD 2MM, but still it leaves us with USD 122MM. Is this the cost of associated equipment?Mayuresh Gaikwadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12244274693970257354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37630455258930620752008-09-10T12:24:00.000-07:002008-09-10T12:24:00.000-07:00Shiv Aroor said... fighterclass: The order for ...Shiv Aroor said...<BR/><BR/> fighterclass: The order for 159 ALHs is 104 for the Army and 55 for the IAF. The current order book does not include any more Dhruvs for the Navy.<BR/><BR/> 10 September 2008 23:57<BR/>_____________________________________<BR/><BR/>so what does IN intend to replace it's MATCH/SAR chetaks with ?<BR/>I don't remember seeing any RFPs for helicopters that are light enough to be carried in the smaller ships of IN -- the ones that now carry the chetaks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64819898880752075592008-09-10T11:52:00.000-07:002008-09-10T11:52:00.000-07:00Mr mayuresh,harpoons are intended for Jaguars mari...Mr mayuresh,<BR/><BR/>harpoons are intended for Jaguars maritime strike squadron on which brahmos cant fit in.<BR/><BR/>They are Sea-Eagle replacement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84699743382052458522008-09-10T11:27:00.000-07:002008-09-10T11:27:00.000-07:00fighterclass: The order for 159 ALHs is 104 for t...fighterclass: The order for 159 ALHs is 104 for the Army and 55 for the IAF. The current order book does not include any more Dhruvs for the Navy.Shiv Aroorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510476258643893433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-59112417492433687292008-09-10T09:57:00.000-07:002008-09-10T09:57:00.000-07:00http://dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable...http://dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=FLASH&file_name=cap3%2Etxt&counter_img=3<BR/><BR/>US to sell 24 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and associated equipment to India for USD 170 million.<BR/>The Harpoon block-2 missile range is said to be 315 km (wikipedia), it is a subsonic missile with a 500 lb (220 kg warhead). <BR/><BR/>Help me understand if there is any secific reason for us to purchase a subsonic missile @ USD 7 per missile, with 315 km range when we have the Brahmos (supersonic, 290km range, 200 kg payload) and unit cost of USD 3 million? Wiki also mentions that the unit cost of a Harpoon is USD 720,000. Even assuming a USD 1 million cost, it leaves us with approx USD 146 million in associated equipment! Am I getting the math wrong?Mayuresh Gaikwadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12244274693970257354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81578761747187610002008-09-10T09:40:00.000-07:002008-09-10T09:40:00.000-07:00any news or photos about aircraft carrier,.. p-15A...any news or photos about aircraft carrier,.. p-15A.. oa atv???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10772862196464151102008-09-10T09:15:00.000-07:002008-09-10T09:15:00.000-07:00anon 20:34 The following is from shiv aroor's live...anon 20:34 The following is from shiv aroor's livefist blog.<BR/><BR/>HAL's Answer to Shiv Aroor's query:<BR/><BR/>Q. Give us specific details about the vibration issues of the ALH Navy variant, which have apparently been sorted out.<BR/><BR/>HAL's answer: Vibration reduction on ALH was initially proposed to be achieved by passive ARIS (Anti-Resonance Isolation System). The ARIS units interposed between the rotor and the fuselage isolate vibrations arising from the rotor. ARIS is a passive system which can be tuned for a desired speed band. HAL has carried out extensive tests and analysis to carry out fine tuning of ARIS to achieve optimum reduction in vibrations.<BR/><BR/>Stiffening of fuselage has been carried out to reduce vibrations and to remove visual cues in the cockpit. Retro-modification for stiffening of fuselage has been completed on all the helicopters delivered. New production has been taken up with the stiffened fuselage in the series production. Acceptable level of vibration has been achieved for Ops roles with fine-tuned ARIS and fuselage stiffening.<BR/><BR/>Further reduction in vibration is planned through Frahm dampers (mechanical spring-mass system tuned to a dominant excitation frequency) are mounted at specific areas where vibration reduction is required. These are effective over a wider speed range. Frahm dampers will be introduced based on the specific requirement of the customers.<BR/><BR/>Active Vibration Control System is also being introduced in the transmission deck area to achieve further reduction in vibration.<BR/><BR/>@ copyright shiv AroorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37747811458856545512008-09-10T08:04:00.000-07:002008-09-10T08:04:00.000-07:00Hi Ajai, As you might be knowing that Navy deci...Hi Ajai,<BR/> As you might be knowing that Navy decided against taking ALH because of excessive vibration which would play havoc with any sensors used by navy . I did hear that HAL was in the process of reducing the excessive vibration.<BR/> Any update on that??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com