tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post6006461653931391594..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Many Pakistans, same old IndiaBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80869117325053958112013-10-31T07:56:32.916-07:002013-10-31T07:56:32.916-07:00Very insightful Ajai but isn't this a symptom ...Very insightful Ajai but isn't this a symptom of the larger problem: We don't know what our ultimate goal on Pakistan is! Is it the Punjabi and the liberal JNU progressive types dream of 'aman aur shanti' or the rabid right's idea of its second vivisection or the position of people like me that says 'let it stew in its own juices while we make sure terror attacks are prevented; every year of 8%+ growth will pull us further away from it'?. When our strategic objective is clear, the tactics will sort themselves out. While I agree with your article in general, IMHO what we lack is a national consensus on Pakistan. I know across the board agreement is not possible but there should be a Cong+BJP POLITICAL (as in not driven by babus) consensus and it should be a tangible goal we work towards with short, medium and long term milestones; if not, breast beating will continue and we will swing from a Lahore to Kargil repeatedly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63305358572101816482013-10-31T04:40:38.178-07:002013-10-31T04:40:38.178-07:00Really good article....many in India have same fee...Really good article....many in India have same feeling but they would not have put into such conclusive points....in fact many wonder how to deal with Pakistan as if it is some hard nut to crack. ravinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57204976217539727132013-10-31T03:26:25.680-07:002013-10-31T03:26:25.680-07:00If you have been reading the news lately, you woul...If you have been reading the news lately, you would know what the innocent Indian Army has been doing in Pakistan wrt to bombings, etc. The recently retired IA chief said it all. The relationship we have with america is very different to India. With america we don't have a dispute over a place called J&K. This is the crux of the matter. It is the bull elephant on heat in the room.<br /><br />The other is that everything that happens in india is blamed on pakistan, even earth-quakes. This is common knowledge even in the west for example. Anything an indian says about pakistan is taken with a rather large pinch of salt! India is like a complaining person. It's become a habit like brushing teeth. You guys have started to do this against china too recently.<br /><br />Pakistan told US at the beginning that they will not except any indian footprint in Afghanistan or CA and they stuck to this, regardless of the fact that USA is a superpower or not. USA and Pakistan both paid in blood for this. USA has finally understood that pakistan will never backoff. Just read the recent Obama/Nawaz press release. <br /><br />Taliban were support not just by the ISI but by the civil society as a whole. The simple reason is because we consider Afghans our brothers, regardless of our disputes. <br /><br />No amount of trade/talking will overcome the hatred people feel when they see Kashmiri's being mistreated by an occupying power. This is the reality. Solve this and all the other issues will disappear and we will exist like France and UK. Two equal powers in South/Central asia.raw13noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-92178053297935060712013-10-30T23:41:47.734-07:002013-10-30T23:41:47.734-07:00Good article.
Pity it will be read and digested o...Good article.<br /><br />Pity it will be read and digested only by military personnel and military strategists and not the mandarins in North Block. They are the guys in whose head some sense needs to be knocked in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37667170523162779372013-10-30T06:51:58.932-07:002013-10-30T06:51:58.932-07:00Good article but these references to RAW's cov...Good article but these references to RAW's covert capabilities being ended are tiresome. 1997 was 16 years ago and the Paks certainly don't think RAW has no covert capabilities.<br /><br />Besides RAW is hardly likely to advertise any covert capabilities, so public pronouncements in any direction are IMO pointless.Vinodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-873065173403585852013-10-30T06:35:58.468-07:002013-10-30T06:35:58.468-07:00Finally some sense....MudbloodFinally some sense....MudbloodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-91048056988367479762013-10-29T16:06:33.013-07:002013-10-29T16:06:33.013-07:00Pakistan is a modern day "Colony" servin...Pakistan is a modern day "Colony" serving its masters - US/UK, Saudi & China.<br /><br />When you have problems with a colony, you deal with its master(s).<br /><br />No amount of CBMs/Track2/Aman-ki-asha directly towards Pakistan will ever fix our problems. You are only kissing a hand that is slapping you.<br /><br />Also pakistan is still "one" entity but serving many masters.<br /><br />Rich businessmen & Politicians are slaves to US/UK. Rest of the gang are ideological slaves to Saudi due to their wahabi education. Army swings between US/UK, Saudi & China depending upon who is providing aid & arms at the moment. This is why it looks splintered.Ramuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02868001675898406193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90485621201697012912013-10-29T06:48:37.412-07:002013-10-29T06:48:37.412-07:00Nice article, Mr Shukla. However, America's po...Nice article, Mr Shukla. However, America's policy of engaging Pakistan is something that dates back to the 60's/70's. Pakistan military, and particularly ISI has had its origins, and extensive training and support through American policies for a 'balanced' indian subcontinent region. This engagement between American and Pakistani institutions is thus historical and in todays world, needs a rethink. To suggest that india engage Pakistan in a similar manner doesnt look possible from Indian point of view. And not particularly effective too. Because, how much America was able to 'engage' with Pakistani Army and intelligence during the 90s in search for jehadi groups and extremists during a post war afghan/pakistan region, they werent able to prevent 9/11. Or curb rise in terrorism. However, given the ambiguity in pakistani leadership, and perceived weakness in indian counterpart, certain change has to be made, rather than just hollow words and claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85621083921632201332013-10-29T05:34:29.477-07:002013-10-29T05:34:29.477-07:00The relationship between America and Pakistan cann...The relationship between America and Pakistan cannot be compared with the relationship that we have with Pakistan. Pakistan is declared as the most important “Non-NATO “ally of US while Pakistan is an enemy country for we Indians. Each of the American GIs (of 2 thousand killed so far) have been avenged with at least 60 thousand (20 thousand insurgents and 40 thousands civilians) peoples blood, while we have seen the receiving end of the stick. Americans do not care what others think about them, we do. They can violate sovereignty of any country with impunity, we can’t. The price we have paid for terrorism in terms of Human Blood is immense, USA does not come anywhere near. Pakistan receives US aid while our aid to Pakistan is refused by it.<br /><br />Continuing to talk and shake hands with such a country as Pakistan will be an insult to the souls of people murdered by PakistanisNayanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14122614027098425190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70676102475220427952013-10-29T01:09:05.676-07:002013-10-29T01:09:05.676-07:00Col Shukla,
It is one of the more sensible article...Col Shukla,<br />It is one of the more sensible articles that has come in many years clearly expressing the multi dimensional approach we must take in case of pakistan.<br />First and foremost is our acceptance of the fact that there is not one 'Power centre'.<br />Since pakistan is not a normal nation, we should not continue to play the normal rules of engagement. GHQ in Pak must be engaged by a mix of aIndian Military & Bureaucracy.<br />Not involving Indian armed forces in pak dialogue shows a complete mistrust of our own professional & politically neutral armed forces. We must involve them to deal with Jihadis & GHQ. After all Military power is nothing but conducting diplomacy by other means only.Brahamvakyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864729826013229860noreply@blogger.com