tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post5356987310398828386..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: A day to remember: MoD announces the purchase of 124 more Arjun tanksBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73440486339852854642010-05-19T15:20:06.383-07:002010-05-19T15:20:06.383-07:00The order should have been for replacing all T-72s...The order should have been for replacing all T-72s and placing a large order justifying high production rate. This is a mere consolation order by IA and Bharadwaj needs to be investigated by vigilance committees for his role.<br />Nevertheless broadsword needs to be commended for its efforts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1006174858007514932010-05-19T07:56:16.459-07:002010-05-19T07:56:16.459-07:00Re Ajai
It would be very welcome if you could wr...Re Ajai<br /><br /><br />It would be very welcome if you could write on proposed mark 2. I believe the unsaid fear is that Army will come up with unreachable specifications for Mark 2 to kill the production lineUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01486610428575270302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-31502448360287241102010-05-18T22:37:12.789-07:002010-05-18T22:37:12.789-07:00Congratulations Ajai and Shiv!Congratulations Ajai and Shiv!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72692709168404417922010-05-18T14:17:44.041-07:002010-05-18T14:17:44.041-07:00Thanx to Broadsword's and you all that Arjun h...Thanx to Broadsword's and you all that Arjun has at last started blasting the bastions of resistances. The trend shows that the Mk2 will soon arrive.Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42114138185366691502010-05-18T11:58:44.877-07:002010-05-18T11:58:44.877-07:00Ajai, hats-off to you for the support that you hav...Ajai, hats-off to you for the support that you have extended to the Arjun MBT program over the years now. I am a long time BRFite and as you already know, that forum had and has a lot of posters who have always believed in the potential of the Arjun design. It is heartening to see that the Arjun is getting another order, but the size of the order is disappointing. If the IA has realised that the Arjun MBT is reliable (the main issue that they used to highlight earlier) then what prevents them from ordering enough to equip another 6-8 regiments at least ? <br /><br />I read your comment on Shiv's blog about this not being the last of the orders for the Arjun..are you referring to the Arjun Mk2 ? What about the Arjun Mk1 ? Will 4 regiments be all we'll see of it ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-89805964639261578962010-05-18T11:19:51.703-07:002010-05-18T11:19:51.703-07:00DRDO has been able to achieve this because of cont...DRDO has been able to achieve this because of continuous pressure from Army. They should thank army for nailing them against wall. After all in Army they say," best output comes under extreme pressure". I think Services being responsible for national security have all the rights to extract best out of support services like DRDO, and it would be in national interest.I think Army has done a good job here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5079134650206151172010-05-18T10:10:54.761-07:002010-05-18T10:10:54.761-07:00The T-90 must not be the MBT of the Indian Navy. I...The T-90 must not be the MBT of the Indian Navy. It has performed badly and the Russian service is bad and they are reluctant to transfer tech. So it's better if we can use the Tank Ex-to fill the role of 1600 T-90's. A combination of 1600 Arjun MK1's and II's and 1600 Tank-EX will be a good strong armoured force that can face any challenges from anyone. Tank-ex combines the small size of T-72 with the protection and firing capabilities of the Arjun. Ekalavya must be the one that must be brought rather than T-90's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4286044955905947312010-05-17T22:38:17.952-07:002010-05-17T22:38:17.952-07:00I hope that post the comparative trials, the DGMF ...I hope that post the comparative trials, the DGMF & the other stubborn detractors of project Arjun have got 'Asal Uttar' i.e 'the real answer' as did the pak army in 1965 tank war.<br />I only hope that next time around the army top brass would not be as stubborn,working behind the benefit of official iron curtains,as not all 'arjuns' can be as lucky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85480100757391961492010-05-17T22:34:07.803-07:002010-05-17T22:34:07.803-07:00Some thing is better than nothing ... We need to m...Some thing is better than nothing ... We need to move in China's track ... look 4 long term goals .. make Arjun Mk2s /Tejas Mk2s and by 2020 have them serve the armed forces ... and we should look 4 business opportunities.3rd ~ EyEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07390061003324545770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24630195084425762072010-05-17T22:22:02.272-07:002010-05-17T22:22:02.272-07:00Ajai sir,
Please donate some photo of arjun ...Ajai sir,<br /> Please donate some photo of arjun tank to wiki from better info for public like other tank info.U could upload it to wiki commons .Ur contribution will be highly appreciable.I know u have donated to wiki 2 pic of arjun tank.But it is tank of India and it needs more info in visual sense.<br /> Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38691033000507089852010-05-17T22:17:17.948-07:002010-05-17T22:17:17.948-07:00first of all
Thanx for including Shiv Aroor'...first of all <br /><br />Thanx for including Shiv Aroor's name as one of those voices who rose in support of Arjun, BTW if you had included Manu Sood of 8ak.in and IDRW.ORG it would have been better.<br /><br />As for the reports of further orders I believe there will will order for 248 more by 2011-2012, once the Aadi plant starts 3 shifts and a 3rd production line. <br /><br />This i suppose will happen by 2011. As for further orders Shiv Aroor had reported long back that Columbia was interested in Arjun. <br /><br />May be that order will also come by 2012 and Arjun Mk1 will finally go beyond the magic figure of 500.joydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29510261328628150962010-05-17T22:12:57.558-07:002010-05-17T22:12:57.558-07:00What short life..usual bakwas to run down a local ...What short life..usual bakwas to run down a local product. The suspension issues were fixed long back and the suspension in fact is one of the reason the Arjun did so well in trials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29555900176731420082010-05-17T20:50:16.515-07:002010-05-17T20:50:16.515-07:00Some people have raised eyebrows about the larger ...Some people have raised eyebrows about the larger nos of allegedly inferior T-90,whilst some have raised reservations about some still nagging technical shortcomings of Arjun.Anywhich way we look at it The tests have proved that Arjun is at least, comparable to T-90,if not superior.But the important que here is the comparative nos of T-72 tanks (which are unquestionably far inferior to Arjun),vis a vis Arjun.Nobody looks at the glaring obsolesence of T-72s,& advocating pumping in more and more money into it like flogging a dead horse, whilst microsopically looking for technical hitches in Arjun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-91747626868122644632010-05-17T20:02:34.991-07:002010-05-17T20:02:34.991-07:00@anon at 18 May 2010 02:57
Oh what horror...Suspe...@anon at 18 May 2010 02:57<br /><br />Oh what horror...Suspension problems...cannot be rectified in another 500 years...Lets order more metal coffins and drive blind into elysium...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84235967812783154212010-05-17T17:50:20.948-07:002010-05-17T17:50:20.948-07:00OK. I also need to give credit to Ajai Shukla for ...OK. I also need to give credit to Ajai Shukla for his great investigative coverage of this Arjun saga. Through his regular coverage of Arjun(leaks I guess), he made the persons(especially Lt.Gen.D.Bhardwaj) who were against Arjun like cats on a hot tin roof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22272925342660771642010-05-17T16:35:38.349-07:002010-05-17T16:35:38.349-07:00Sir, I believe there are two ways to look at this....Sir, I believe there are two ways to look at this. One is that this is a belated acceptance of the Arjun by the IA and this is but the first step towards developing and refining it. The second more cynical view is that this is a token gesture to take the heat off any investigation into the T90 deal(s) and that once it has served its purpose, the IA will have no further use for the Arjun program. Unfortunately, I believe the latter is a more likely view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6812820946338300802010-05-17T15:25:53.765-07:002010-05-17T15:25:53.765-07:00Excellent to think this project started off as a m...Excellent to think this project started off as a modernisation of the vickers MBT. This is indeed a validation of our capabilities to produce heavy armaments. But this also should be seen with caution as the program though successful requires further study to evaluate the failures that have happened that caused such a massive delay. Other than that now on to making every component on that tank Indian.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766808535274067161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76905688990558191062010-05-17T14:27:47.398-07:002010-05-17T14:27:47.398-07:00ajai, you've been clouded by your proximity wi...ajai, you've been clouded by your proximity with the arjun folks. has the army mentioned the short life of the hydro-pneum suspension? i have no lena-dena in this matter. am a lowly army functionary who happens to know a little bit about what the army feels. the suspension has done the poor tank in. look for a report on suspension related complaints from the the AUCRT, filed separate from the trial report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47006709054804261602010-05-17T13:47:50.060-07:002010-05-17T13:47:50.060-07:00Congratulations to you Ajai and also partly to Shi...Congratulations to you Ajai and also partly to Shiv Aroor for both your support to DRDO although they have many shortcomings.<br /><br />Q1. I read in a report that the army still have problems with the design of arjun i.e. where the sight location of the gunner and EW suite.<br /><br />Q2. Can you please clarify if in your report or conversations with our nations finest about their experience and reviews about Arjun.<br /><br />Q3. I am sure Arjun still has many shortcoming which have not been publicized. my question is to what extent was Arjun successful against T-90 and in what areas did T-90 beat the Arjun?<br /><br />Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your reply.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14186236645062047569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53626434589144770102010-05-17T12:15:21.810-07:002010-05-17T12:15:21.810-07:00Ajai,
Hasnt the IA shortchanged the nation let al...Ajai,<br /><br />Hasnt the IA shortchanged the nation let alone DRDO yet again, by ordering only 124 tanks?<br /><br />Also, kudos to you for standing up for the truth, as they say, you fought the good fight!! <br /><br />And the motto of the Armor community: Bash on regardless!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-55107069479727430072010-05-17T11:52:03.096-07:002010-05-17T11:52:03.096-07:00Finally the Army gave up its stand of denying Arju...Finally the Army gave up its stand of denying Arjun its worthy place this means that Arjun Mak 2 will be the next MBT and India will not have to spend on junk.If my kid ever goes into a War i whish it will be Arjun and not T'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83990840068675022892010-05-17T11:25:06.507-07:002010-05-17T11:25:06.507-07:00Salute your efforts, Broadsword.Salute your efforts, Broadsword.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75492781473503489492010-05-17T10:34:45.666-07:002010-05-17T10:34:45.666-07:00I hope the IA purchases at least another 248 tanks...I hope the IA purchases at least another 248 tanks so that it has close to 500 tanks.It is strange that the T-90s are ordered in multiples of around 300, while the Arjun is being ordered in piece-meal approach, even though it has proved itself. And the IA will continue to purchase T-90 for the next 10 years while not purchasing arjun saying it doesn't meet the future requirements!<br /><br />Ajai, any idea which regiments will get these tanks? Will replace the T-72 regiments first? <br /><br />Can you please also do a story on the regiments currently operating Arjuns, the issues they went through while induction, comparison between what the regiment operated previously and Arjun etc? It will be nice to hear from the users themselves!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39941814446786939912010-05-17T10:21:18.330-07:002010-05-17T10:21:18.330-07:00Great News....the lungi wallah has finally decided...Great News....the lungi wallah has finally decided to act.But why this fixation with 124.Man order another 500 and order production on a war footing.We just can't sit and watch while the pakis pile up al zarrars!sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023207315787689623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10013695790497905502010-05-17T10:02:30.501-07:002010-05-17T10:02:30.501-07:00don't you think an order of 124 is too little ...don't you think an order of 124 is too little and actually a compromise from the army under govt. pressure?<br /><br />it is quite possible to infer from the size of the order that IA didn't change it's opinion about the tank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com