tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post4749159097374764291..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Five Tejas fighters to light up Aero IndiaBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8625489835718270192011-02-08T20:27:10.872-08:002011-02-08T20:27:10.872-08:00@Anonymous 9 February 2011 00:26
Right man, we di...@Anonymous 9 February 2011 00:26<br /><br />Right man, we didn't have money back then... Our economy was in dumps.....But still the kickback amounts in Bofors deal was reaching the intended pockets.... Well said man, well said.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-78046394899332290892011-02-08T20:24:50.219-08:002011-02-08T20:24:50.219-08:00@Rahul 9 February 2011 00:47
No man it didn't...@Rahul 9 February 2011 00:47<br /><br />No man it didn't hurt but <br />MOD and DRDO will be the happiest person on reading your views......You have given them a lifeline for ever......Any time a new project takes shape now, they will say "nothing official about it. So plz no timelines now".And whenever there are delays, they will say "Funds were allocated 20 yrs after the project materialised. So plz don't blame us. Look at Country.X or Country.Y. They took Z number of years like us to build their's". No accountability, no punishment, only alibi...It took 33 years,plz look at F-16; cost escalation 300%;plz look at Gripen.If they have committed a mistake, does that give us an alibi to commit the same mistake again??? Ridiculous... We Indians have this habbit of comparing ourselves with the worst.When shall we learn to respect ourselves??<br /><br />What matters is when will our fully capable jets engage enemy aircrafts in skies <br /><br />What I meant was when will the LCA Tejas become fully cabale of engaging enemy aircrafts....Sorry if my English meant otherwise.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72289701281528533622011-02-08T11:17:27.853-08:002011-02-08T11:17:27.853-08:00@ Rahul(Kolkata) Hahaha! Seems like that hurt too ...@ Rahul(Kolkata) Hahaha! Seems like that hurt too much. <br /><br />Yes it is 1993 not 1983 and will remain so no matter what. You don't consider a beginning until the project gets fully sanctioned and sufficient money is released........ <br /><br />And yes it is 33 years as it will be +40 years when LCA MK-3 will roll out. BTW it seems like F-16 is 51 years into development. <br /><br />Won't say where i work but in automobile industry people continuously work on concept segment. Some designs out of these concepts becomes reality but that period is never added. <br /><br />Reiterating. There is no start until fully sanctioned.<br /><br /><b>What matters is when will our fully capable jets engage enemy aircrafts in skies</b> <br />This is just 'The Hilarious'. Nowhere in the world a fully capable jet engages enemy until war erupts. Want to know about LCA's capability then pray for war?Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75134098936653546782011-02-08T10:56:47.345-08:002011-02-08T10:56:47.345-08:00@Rahul(kolkatta)Why the time lag till 1990s?
Money...@Rahul(kolkatta)Why the time lag till 1990s?<br />Money!The 89s to early 90s were bad years for us.Our economy was down in the dumps and we had a serious resource crunch.We wanted to have a modern fighter at the cost of peanuts. It is only in the 90s,along with the India growth story(BTW your growth story too) that our guys started to have access to serious money and tech,which flowed in more as the we could buy more and people began to realize the potential of the Indian defense market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-20800331294777200622011-02-08T10:56:24.749-08:002011-02-08T10:56:24.749-08:00@Rahul(kolkatta)Why the time lag till 1990s?
Money...@Rahul(kolkatta)Why the time lag till 1990s?<br />Money!The 89s to early 90s were bad years for us.Our economy was down in the dumps and we had a serious resource crunch.We wanted to have a modern fighter at the cost of peanuts. It is only in the 90s,along with the India growth story(BTW your growth story too) that our guys started to have access to serious money and tech,which flowed in more as the we could buy more and people began to realize the potential of the Indian defense market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73776619089399024162011-02-07T22:34:10.191-08:002011-02-07T22:34:10.191-08:00To Anonymous 7 February 2011 22:29
Ha ha ha ha, w...To Anonymous 7 February 2011 22:29<br /><br />Ha ha ha ha, well said brother....Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8294788031113135562011-02-07T22:32:13.108-08:002011-02-07T22:32:13.108-08:00To Rahul 8 February 2011 01:06
Poor, poor argumen...To Rahul 8 February 2011 01:06<br /><br />Poor, poor argument chap....I know my Maths pretty well and don't need to learn from a 6 yr old.If the original plan was to start funding from 1993, then why was the plan sanctioned in 1983?? Why did we waste 10 years?? To build castles in the air????? And I said 33 years becasue Mk2 will hit production line in 2016(sincerely hope so).See, for IAF, and for aam admii like me, it doesn't matter when you got IOC, when you will get FOC etc etc. What matters is when will our fully capable jets engage enemy aircrafts in skies......I am in software sector and I can assure you bro that at the start of any new project, estimated time required for completing it is the sum of times required for requirement gathering, feasibility study, team build up, execution, testing and delivery... and not execution, testing and delivery...Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47778788414360467312011-02-07T22:20:16.093-08:002011-02-07T22:20:16.093-08:00@Mr.Ra 7 February 2011 23:58.
We have a no first ...@Mr.Ra 7 February 2011 23:58.<br /><br />We have a no first use nuke policy I hope you know and this policy was made way before we were any close to operationalise our nuclear triad!!!!! See, nuclear weapons are not for starting a war, its there to prevent a war.Presence of nuclear weapons in India has not prevented a Parliament attack or 26/11. So nuclear posturing will not deter Pak,however different Broadsword may think it to be. As far as China is concerned, any war if fought will be of short duration and fully conventional(assuming cyber and space warfare are conventional methods). These are not my words but words of senior Army officials. You can check Operation Divine Matrix and Cold Start in Google.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33194998297801795452011-02-07T11:36:34.563-08:002011-02-07T11:36:34.563-08:00@Rahul (kolkata).
Get the maths right. First it ...@Rahul (kolkata). <br /><br />Get the maths right. First it is not 33 years in making. Proper funding for full scale development came only in 1993 and a 6 year kid will tell you since then it's +17 years not 33. Second, this 8 jet per year is not going to stay static forever. This production rate is only for first 40 jets and as acknowledged by Ajai sir is a deliberate move to keep the production line busy. Atleast this is the plan till this date. By the way once the picture on Mk-2 gets absolutely clear production can be stepped up any time. HAL can even deliver one squadron per year if not more.Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8996467745931249602011-02-07T10:28:39.359-08:002011-02-07T10:28:39.359-08:00Excellent and informative article on Tejas.
If th...Excellent and informative article on Tejas.<br /><br />If the two front security scenario in our neighborhood is of now or in near future developing like a volcano, then it can be tackled effectively only by the means of nukes and not by any slow or rapid inclusion of the fighter jets. We may be much lagging behind their combined military strengths at present.<br /><br />So attempts for the fastest possible but cost effective rates of inclusion shall be done.<br /><br />BTW, if the acrobatics of Tejas-mk1 come out to be spectacularly beyond expectations, then its order quantity may increase to 60 and MMRCA contenders may be under greater pressures. I hope it happens.<br /><br />It is best if they perform all the requisite tests of MMRCA on the Tejas-mk1 and if any inadequacies found shall be corrected on Mk2. <br /><br />As expected, Tejas is going to be another success story like Arjun rather more than it.<br /><br />I also agree that once India passes through the pangs of developing AMCA, then it may be ranked among the best fighter builders in the world.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81231419399006240202011-02-07T08:59:25.216-08:002011-02-07T08:59:25.216-08:00To Rahul(Kolkata) @ 7 February 2011 15:43
"...To Rahul(Kolkata) @ 7 February 2011 15:43 <br /><br />"Can the MOD guarantee us that there will not be war like scenario that may need deployment on both fronts till we get those 200 Tejas"<br /><br /><br />MOD cannot guarantee anything to you, all they can guarantee is that they have an emergency escape plan arranged for the VVIP's to fly them to countries like Italy, Russia or US. Where our VVIP's will spend time in their Vacation homes burning our tax payers money while your homes burn under a nuclear umbrella.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13961029025219449312011-02-07T02:13:06.068-08:002011-02-07T02:13:06.068-08:00Ajai, you seem to be a supporter of 8 Tejas/yr ins...Ajai, you seem to be a supporter of 8 Tejas/yr instead of 20/yr for 2 yrs till Mk2 enters service. Just need one feedback from you.When IAF retires those old Mig21's, do they do so in batches of 5-6-7/yr or more than that? Even if they do so in small batches my point is simple. We are short of squadron strength and the Mig's are retiring at a faster rate. Can the MOD guarantee us that there will not be war like scenario that may need deployment on both fronts till we get those 200 Tejas or 126 MMRCA's(after missing the file, getting it, enquring it to what happened, deliberating it on offsets etc etc)? And that too when IAF chief had gone on public saying 50% assets are verge on obsolesence and security scenario in our neighbourhood is like a volcano.Rahul(Kolkata)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75359149615084427292011-02-07T02:00:25.097-08:002011-02-07T02:00:25.097-08:008 Tejas per year!!!! So, 33 years to build it and ...8 Tejas per year!!!! So, 33 years to build it and 25 years to induct 200 odd tejas. That is the final Tejas will enter IAF around 2041 if production of Mk2 starts in<br />2016. Last tejas will enter when the first tejas is bound for retirement. Hope our enemy airforces will still not phase out their 4th gen fighters, waiting for a chance to engage the tejas in the skies.....Good job done ADA,DRDO,HAL and last but not the least MOD.<br /><br />Rahul(Kolkata).Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24592824999825757402011-02-07T01:10:37.682-08:002011-02-07T01:10:37.682-08:00Anon @ 16:07 Feb 6:
Indranil got exactly what you...Anon @ 16:07 Feb 6:<br /><br />Indranil got exactly what you meant. You on the other hand are probably reading things that he has not written.<br /><br />So forget suggestions about him going back to reading class, and start reading up yourself.<br /><br />Also please give an example of an assembly line in which sometimes one type of fighter aircraft is assembled and sometimes another. Like for instance a line where sometimes a Rafale is made and sometimes a Mirage is made interchangably, or maybe a line in which Su 30s are sometimes made and at times a few Mig 29s are made if the orders are there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13232491696712348262011-02-07T01:01:57.218-08:002011-02-07T01:01:57.218-08:00Hi Ajai,
You can take a horse to water, but you c...Hi Ajai,<br /><br />You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.<br /><br />You can write twenty thousand times about why the LCA is such a great achievement, but people will still say, "30 years late, F22 is better, 3000% overbudget"<br /><br />It makes me very sad when these vitriolic comments keep coming inspite of all facts being to the contrary.<br /><br />Hats off to you for keeping your professional etiquette in place and for continuing to inform Indians about the truth, when it would be so much more easy, so much more popular, and maybe even "profitable" to follow the prevalent narrative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36449063930776787422011-02-06T22:41:08.302-08:002011-02-06T22:41:08.302-08:00Dear Ajai Sir,
Please upload a video of LCA fligh...Dear Ajai Sir, <br />Please upload a video of LCA flight and aerobatics in Aero India 2011.<br />Will wait to see this on your post. <br />Please also write when the LCA will be equipped with Kaveri engine or any other engine providing the thrust exceeding 94KN or 100KNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40036392198274251162011-02-06T20:38:54.964-08:002011-02-06T20:38:54.964-08:00Anon 6 February 2011 16:07
I am ready to go back ...Anon 6 February 2011 16:07<br /><br />I am ready to go back to my reading lessons if you provide one instance of a "flexible" fighter aircraft line.<br /><br />Otherwise stop making near stupid comments just for the heck of writing a comment.<br /><br />Indranil RoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22871557782907945942011-02-06T02:37:29.862-08:002011-02-06T02:37:29.862-08:00Indranil Roy,
Go back to highschool and take rea...Indranil Roy, <br /><br />Go back to highschool and take reading lessons. What was actually meant was building a Mig29 AND SU30 on the same line, not building 2 Mig29s instead of one SU-30!<br /><br />It is common practice in civilian industries. You dont know which model the demand is going to come for. With flexible manufacturing, you can respond to market in near real time and not keep a large inventory of finished products or a specialized line idle!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24790283384483870182011-02-06T02:14:22.945-08:002011-02-06T02:14:22.945-08:00Sir.
The reasons provided for manufacturing only e...Sir.<br />The reasons provided for manufacturing only eight Tejas per year is not convincing. India has to phase out the MIG21. HAL will surely obtain order for atleast 100more Tejas as IAF will try to achieve its sanctioned strength. The Tejas Trainers should immediately replace the AJTs. This provides them an additional domestic market. Orders for Naval Tejas also are awaited. Tejas Trainers will have an expoer market as well after five years from now. HAL will need more than five years from now to manufacture the above number of LCA-Tejas. By this time ADA / HAL will be able to develop new models of aircrafts which will keep the HAL manufacturing line loaded. <br />It has been observed that indigenous weapons and equipments are not generally encouraged by our defence forces. This is only because of deterioration of moral values and corruption prevalent in our society. <br /><br />P.K.Chaudhuri.P.K.Chaudhurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243425778396514693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6043923614096168722011-02-05T23:33:24.582-08:002011-02-05T23:33:24.582-08:00a fine article ajai sir. answers lot of questions....a fine article ajai sir. answers lot of questions. @8/year it just sits perfectly with mark 2 taking over in 2015. but sir at the IOC function HAL chief was on record saying - they can build '10 aircrafts per year which could be increased' if there are more orders. does this mean they have cut from 10 to 8/year just so that the lines are not idle before the mark 2 takes over??<br /><br />sir even now LCA mark 1 is far far superior to the Mig 21bisons and are more than equal to Mirage 2000s.<br /><br />why does not the IAF order more of LCA mark 1s (atleast 1-2 squadrons) which will clearly mitigate the squadron strength and ofcourse older mig 21s can be retired - which is long due. also the assembly line stabilises for the better. subject to ofc the LCA mark 1 getting FOC in 2012. <br /><br />are there any hopes of order being increased post 2012 for the mark 1s??<br /><br />TIA.Poorna's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13653219432077679271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54350793213245405762011-02-05T21:47:04.177-08:002011-02-05T21:47:04.177-08:00Yawn. nothing we (or Biz Standard readers, for tha...Yawn. nothing we (or Biz Standard readers, for that matter) didn't know already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37572039509903270392011-02-05T21:38:58.290-08:002011-02-05T21:38:58.290-08:00@Shael Sharma
Big words for someone who is clearl...@Shael Sharma<br /><br />Big words for someone who is clearly not a defense enthusiast... At least get your facts right. It was the IJT that had skidded off the runway after its canopy opened unexpectedly...and the Dhruv had crashed during rehearsals, not the airshow. <br /><br />Then you say the comparison should always be the Marut..why? The Marut was designed by Germans and wasn't even 4th gen. There was never any plan to develop an engine for it whereas the Tejas had to wait for the Kaveri to lumber around until they delinked it from the program in 2008.<br /><br />As for the gripen, SAAB suffered two crashes during development and it has a hisory of "skidding off the runway". Take a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_JAS_39_Gripen" rel="nofollow"> look </a>Aaravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26163607730022400672011-02-05T10:39:44.516-08:002011-02-05T10:39:44.516-08:00Hey ajai,
how is the GE engine integration going...Hey ajai, <br /><br />how is the GE engine integration going on for MK2.Karupaswamynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15775596021590290922011-02-05T10:30:50.663-08:002011-02-05T10:30:50.663-08:00Anon at 5 February 2011 22:09
Could you provide a...Anon at 5 February 2011 22:09<br /><br />Could you provide a single instance of an fighter aircraft manufacturing line where 2 aircrafts B were made in a aircraft line of A. <br /><br />I mean 2 Mig-29s were made out of the Su-30 line.<br /><br />Your suggestion is quite hilarious ... I would just leave it at that.<br /><br />Indranil RoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86641877399109009562011-02-05T10:24:18.612-08:002011-02-05T10:24:18.612-08:00Ajai ji
Lovely responses.
To the guys bemoaning ...Ajai ji<br /><br />Lovely responses.<br /><br />To the guys bemoaning the 8 per year rate ... Rafale's production rate is 11 per year and the reason is pretty much the same.<br /><br />Indranil RoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com