tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post3321810395602647175..comments2024-03-14T06:10:14.591-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: French Defence Minister in Delhi: political push from Paris for upgrade of Mirage-2000Broadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33989662176952239112009-12-11T10:43:07.515-08:002009-12-11T10:43:07.515-08:00Hi Ajai,
There s news that the Israelis are willi...Hi Ajai,<br /><br />There s news that the Israelis are willing to upgrade our fleet of Mirage fighters at 40% lower costs than what the French have offered. In fact today's report that appeared in the Telegraph also claims that the Israelis gave a presentation to IAF in that regard just recently. <br /><br />What do you think? Should India go for the Israeli offer. Will there be some opposition from the French? Which package do you think will be technologically superior?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18284298537533690832009-12-11T06:23:18.788-08:002009-12-11T06:23:18.788-08:00Ajai sir,
There is news of Israel upgrading the ...Ajai sir, <br /><br />There is news of Israel upgrading the Mirages for 40% less than the French price:<br /><br />Is it even possible to get this big a discount while getting the same quality of upgrade?Vijaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10222739451234435352009-12-11T04:01:40.959-08:002009-12-11T04:01:40.959-08:00The mathematics around here is not great, is it? T...The mathematics around here is not great, is it? The cost of upgradation comes to $35 million per aircraft.<br /><br />NJS, Who the hell told you that Gripen is 45-60 million per piece? I must meet you! The bid is lying in a sealed envelope in the MoD, Antony himself doesn't know what Gripen has quoted, but you do. Fantastic.<br /><br />"Now with the Sukhois too starting to crash like the Mig-21s and our squadron levels reducing..."<br /><br />Wow! Two Su-30MKI crashes, and they're being equated with the MiG-21. Maybe we should be a little less hysterical??Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83411028826998542842009-12-10T13:46:44.295-08:002009-12-10T13:46:44.295-08:00@Anon 10 Dec.: How about the Marlin upgrade they o...@Anon 10 Dec.: How about the Marlin upgrade they offered Pak before asking India if they wanted access to the same?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-78430719034721827892009-12-10T04:18:36.675-08:002009-12-10T04:18:36.675-08:00i think 1.8 billion will be better than original a...i think 1.8 billion will be better than original asked one, but israel has offered very lesser than this amount i wonder why india is so eager only on french proposal or india can select Gripen which is almost in between 45 - 60 mn usd<br /><br />India hardly needs land attack / navel ver of Longer range bombers like Tu22m3 backfire which china has already got TOT from russia to manufacture land and navel version , all the equipments will be made in china itself . Long range bombers are most important in case of war , but indian MoD is not realizing it .Tu22m3 can easily carry some brahmos , which can easily strike land and sea based targets .NJShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983153155305295119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10851758139640065962009-12-09T20:08:48.904-08:002009-12-09T20:08:48.904-08:00Given the complexity of MMRCA contest, who knows w...Given the complexity of MMRCA contest, who knows when the first MMRCA aircraft will be inducted, and at which price ?<br /><br />To Anon 9 Dec : any specific example ? Since the Agosta, which is a generation lower than Scorpene, I don't really see what they sold so high-tech ?<br /><br />To Anon 8 Dec : I understood from previous readings that French AF will keep a mix of Mirage and Rafale for long and plans to upgrade its Mirage up to -5 ou -Mk2 standard or so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7991003341324878882009-12-08T22:35:15.882-08:002009-12-08T22:35:15.882-08:00Trusting the French is not a good idea. For each a...Trusting the French is not a good idea. For each a/c or naval boat they've sold us, they have sold an equivalent and more contemporary version to the mongrels across our border. The performance of the M2k is beyond reproach though, and considering that these are potent nuclear-delivery systems, the IAF would be rightly remiss in not upgrading. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place! <br /><br />I believe the linkages to the MMRCA will play a large role, 414s for the LCA, Rafaels for MMRCA, and of course the UAE Mirages recycled for our use. Do you think this combination will affect our capabilities as much as people have been claiming? I pray we do not select the SH because the supplier is hardly reliable, given their role in 71 and later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41505580981220452792009-12-08T02:36:18.638-08:002009-12-08T02:36:18.638-08:00We should go ahead with addition of brand new figh...We should go ahead with addition of brand new fighter rather then upgrading old mirages.Mirages should be phased out on time and new multi role fighters in large no. should come in to replace them.<br />We should go ahead with the upgradation with the cheapest option.Mirages were the best in the past,they are good now,but in future they will turn up to be mig-21's.If they were so good french would have retained them in their air force.The best thing is to upgrade them with the chepaest opetion and add additional 100 - 200 fighters in addition to MMRCA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64445245861574073292009-12-07T06:22:31.752-08:002009-12-07T06:22:31.752-08:00शुक्लाजी, आख़िर कब बताएँगे हमें अर्जुन टैंक के विष...शुक्लाजी, आख़िर कब बताएँगे हमें अर्जुन टैंक के विषय में ?<br /><br />क्षमा करें परन्तु हमारे मन में अत्यन्त कौतूहल हो रहा है , इसीलिए बार बार आपको परेशान कर रहा हूँ |ArjunTankFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29597088532857824302009-12-07T01:12:46.049-08:002009-12-07T01:12:46.049-08:00I completely agree with the anonymous post of 06 D...I completely agree with the anonymous post of 06 December 2009 00:41. Now with the Sukhois too starting to crash like the Mig-21s and our squadron levels reducing, we need to ensure quality rather than quantity. <br /><br />Yes! it makes sense to spend the cost of a new fighter on upgrading the Mirage because it is still THE best multirole fighter we've got and we need to ensure that at least IT remains fighting fit till the MRCA winner starts filling the ranks.<br /><br />To the fellow countrymen who are in awe of the 'MRCA' contract -- when do you think the winner of this contract will start entering the IAF? And what if we need to fight a war in the interrim? What are we going to fight our enemies with? the MRCA contract?!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05200617606064771164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15658154408271703852009-12-06T10:42:16.683-08:002009-12-06T10:42:16.683-08:00Hi Ajai,
Mirage has been a great powerhouse for ou...Hi Ajai,<br />Mirage has been a great powerhouse for our IAF so far.. but spending $40 million in to this old ware house is it worthy??... Ajai ji please post your valuable comment for this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23242157270403301682009-12-06T09:49:27.783-08:002009-12-06T09:49:27.783-08:00On a tangential note, it looks like the Chinese ne...On a tangential note, it looks like the Chinese news agency Xinhua has upped the ante on questioning the legitimacy of the state of Kashmir within the India Republic. Here's a headline from Google today:<br /><br />"India-controlled Kashmir gov't to review security of separatist leaders"<br /><br />India controlled Kashmir Government?<br /><br />It's about time the Indian media go on the offensive on Tibet; publicize the Indian view of the issue instead of accepting the status quo established by China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68474554388393446272009-12-06T07:35:00.408-08:002009-12-06T07:35:00.408-08:00Now what's the point of this stupid deal when ...Now what's the point of this stupid deal when we are going for the MMRCA.AKhttp://ak47.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84852664489159004762009-12-06T06:47:30.439-08:002009-12-06T06:47:30.439-08:00Is the Scorpion still a mirage?
http://news.redif...Is the Scorpion still a mirage?<br /><br />http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/26/cag-slams-scorpene-delay.htm<br /><br />CAG - Defence Ministry gave "undue financial advantage" to French company.<br /><br />>><br />Renegotiate Scorpeone Deal before signing new deals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24456538660175512712009-12-06T05:59:28.350-08:002009-12-06T05:59:28.350-08:00french are leach they are trying to cut the hen wh...french are leach they are trying to cut the hen which lays golden egg. They sould remember that the cow shold be milked slowlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-44379560080479131122009-12-06T00:34:44.363-08:002009-12-06T00:34:44.363-08:00wtf ......why upgrade cost 45mil/plane, are the pr...wtf ......why upgrade cost 45mil/plane, are the providing spectra with tot.it seems french president would go empty handed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-25744885442555910722009-12-05T21:55:38.860-08:002009-12-05T21:55:38.860-08:00Ajai, could you please confirm with your sources i...Ajai, could you please confirm with your sources if the upgrade deal is with the complete ToT - as it would have been if we were to go in for Mirage as the MMRCA? <br /><br />That would probably justify the heavy pricing.Vishalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12114237294512281713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6754311037206659122009-12-05T11:11:19.234-08:002009-12-05T11:11:19.234-08:00How long would it take to upgrade all the mirage 2...How long would it take to upgrade all the mirage 2000's in IAF service?<br /><br />I am assuming that it would take a lot less time to upgrade the fighters than to get new equivalent number of fighters and that is the major reason for the IAF to go for the upgrade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48020027195748300572009-12-05T10:39:37.530-08:002009-12-05T10:39:37.530-08:00No more burning of our tax money to Foreign Defens...No more burning of our tax money to Foreign Defense firms. Instead spend that money to buy a New LCA.Karupaswamynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43371104117444134612009-12-05T09:17:55.743-08:002009-12-05T09:17:55.743-08:00To add few lines here for our friends about the ru...To add few lines here for our friends about the rudimentary manufacturing site ,HAL/Nashik for these most sought after aircrafts of the world... <br />I and my friend ,both are engineer by profession, happened to visit HAL/ Nasik on a rainy day in July 2007 and we were allowed to have a glimse of manufacturing of this beautiful flying machine after lot of persuation. But to our horror and utter disbelief we found our local engineers and technicians were struggling to refit/retrofit parts in eleveted position with very vintage tools, gadgets ,manually with the help of drawings and diagrams at their hand like repairing trucks and buses in an Automobile garage/ factory and many of the buildings had seepage of water from roofs and poor state of affairs from old Russian instruments,panels, obsolete gadgets etc..... we felt the pain and stunned to come to a conclusion why our young and experienced pilots are increasingly losing aircrafts in accidents.... D J Saikia, Delhi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70981680824763728872009-12-05T05:27:02.770-08:002009-12-05T05:27:02.770-08:001.8 billion from an initial offer of 2.9 bil is a ...1.8 billion from an initial offer of 2.9 bil is a good bargain imo. They should seal it. Hopefully, we will also go for UAE Mirages once they buy Rafale. Overall, I think it should be a good deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-20605142406480041442009-12-04T22:29:26.914-08:002009-12-04T22:29:26.914-08:00For a new single engine MRCA @ 45mn USD a piece, $...For a new single engine MRCA @ 45mn USD a piece, $1.8Bn can fetch 40 brand new a/cs. So what's the point with upgrading 25 yr old machinery?<br /><br />Instead why not increase the scope of the MMRCA contract. Reduces the types in service too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24163025081215087212009-12-04T21:04:05.060-08:002009-12-04T21:04:05.060-08:00Scoop!Scoop!Apka bhanjanoreply@blogger.com