tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post3081268717599352050..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Nailing some more falsehoods about the Arjun tank... and some about the T-90!Broadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2801431886331140722019-04-06T12:46:50.930-07:002019-04-06T12:46:50.930-07:00Rahim Yar khan...
Keep on smoking whatever you ar...Rahim Yar khan...<br /><br />Keep on smoking whatever you are smokingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70336413606890983962009-08-31T19:02:12.667-07:002009-08-31T19:02:12.667-07:00@ all you arjun slammer
1. either you are pakista...@ all you arjun slammer<br /><br />1. either you are pakistani/chinese<br />2. you know nothing about the project<br />3. i've talked to the actual users of the tank, they admire it and love it for what it can do to the enemy<br /><br />so keeping users in mind and the fact that it is indeed an excellent tank, you can go to hell, and guess what, arjun will get more orders, remember this post, i am telling you what's coming up. because it is THE tank that will see us through if there is a war, besides, just because some people want Russian maal as they get kickbacks, can shub it right up theirs, may god give them tapeworms and send them to hell, we love our soldiers and we want arjuns to be their armorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-59973036922501817352008-09-16T05:08:00.000-07:002008-09-16T05:08:00.000-07:00Requires the PM and Raksha Mantri to look into the...Requires the PM and Raksha Mantri to look into the matter and punish the culprits in the Army since the corrupt in the army are playing with the life's of the soldiers who go to war to save the nation. There is no other tank that can give better protection with the Kanchan Armour. Arjun can run fast and fire accurately than the T-90.<BR/>Arjun is the tank that Indian Army requires to win battles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73738025881197243832008-08-17T22:23:00.000-07:002008-08-17T22:23:00.000-07:00why does not the raksha mantri or PMO intervine on...why does not the raksha mantri or PMO intervine on behalf of DRDO to save the indeginious project?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9925700917875410662008-08-06T13:32:00.000-07:002008-08-06T13:32:00.000-07:00The army is the most incompetent out of the three ...The army is the most incompetent out of the three services when it comes to indeginization of products even though its products require the least amont of technology amongst the 3 services a tank,howitzer or an IFV is less of a technical challenge than a nuclear submarine,fighter aircraft or aircraft carrier.<BR/>It should be ashamed of itself instead of pompously telling taxpayers of this country of how it has the divine right to give their money to russia they should take a page out of the indian navy’s book on how to build things at home.But in all fairness intelligence hasn’t really been the IA’s forte Sam Manekhaws of the world are few and far between.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-56019935932918871222008-08-06T05:29:00.000-07:002008-08-06T05:29:00.000-07:00AJAY ji,now the army is out to kill the abhay the ...AJAY ji,<BR/>now the army is out to kill the abhay the drdo's replacement for the BMP2 by stating that all of a sudden that they would prefer a wheeled version as a replacement for the bmp2,they very conviniently as usual 'forgot' to tell the drdo of that requirement when they were designing the prototype.I mean really are we an african country or what!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10536455177699615812008-08-04T01:52:00.000-07:002008-08-04T01:52:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18195411052903826982008-08-03T21:03:00.000-07:002008-08-03T21:03:00.000-07:00Great idea ! But the way the army has been trying ...Great idea ! But the way the army has been trying to usurp the General positions it doesn't seem likely that it'll be open to that idea as well !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35523227708162460172008-08-03T19:34:00.000-07:002008-08-03T19:34:00.000-07:00Harry has a point with his comment about the Arjun...Harry has a point with his comment about the Arjun not being successful in the 2005 trials. <BR/><BR/>What it makes depressingly clear though is that the Army has no mechanism to support indigenous products whether it be in chalking out a multi-year test program or providing integrated program management for the program that includes all players (Army, DRDO, CVRDE).<BR/><BR/>This is an organizational problem and will have to be fixed top down. Since the Navy has been more successful in nurturing indigenous products, a way should be found to have the Navy take the Army under its wing for transferring their program management strategies. Perhaps we can kill two birds with one stone and create the much talked about CDS position with the Navy staffing it initially. Assuming two year tenures and rotation between the services, the Navy will end up staffing this position for 4 years in the next 10 years - which should be enough time to initiate institutional changes top down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58749987000564268732008-08-03T19:20:00.000-07:002008-08-03T19:20:00.000-07:00"For Anonymous who said:http://frontierindia...."For Anonymous who said:<BR/>http://frontierindia.net/savearjuntank/arjun-tank-faq<BR/>Ha! Ha! Ha! Are you offering that site as an authoratative word on the tank? Dude, who created that site. Could it be DRDO? Ha! Ha! Ha!"<BR/><BR/>I sincerely wish it was but alas it isn't. Its from individuals who want this project to succeed so that India gets its place in the sun among the world's leading tank developers. Assembling tanks from kits will not get us to that position and we have been doing that since 1971. Whatever we know about system integration in a complex system like a Main Battle tank or a front line fighter or a frigate/destroyer or a satellite or a launch vehicle, we have done it ourselves only in the midst of tech denial regimes.<BR/><BR/>In case you are wondering a lot of our other "indigenous" stuff like frigates, destroyers, satellites, rockets etc have quite a bit of imported components but if you care to read if you'll find out that over the years all these small but critical sub-systems were indigenized involving SMEs and other private sector majors like L&T, not to mention the jobs and wealth in creates in the country.<BR/><BR/>That's exactly what continuing the production of Arjun is all about. As we understand the nuances of engine and transmission techs they'll be indigenized as well in due course. By killing project Arjun you kill everything with one stone. <BR/><BR/>Who benefits from this ? <BR/><BR/>Anyone who is interested in selling us a complete weapon system stands to lose such a lucrative market. If I were these people I will oppose Arjun induction tooth and nail because its my survivability at stake here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-46784850012605883222008-08-03T19:03:00.000-07:002008-08-03T19:03:00.000-07:00"Unless it is conclusively proved that Arjun ..."Unless it is conclusively proved that Arjun really did make a massive qualitative jump post 2006, I would say Arjun is still junk. In that case Arjun Tank would make a good septic tank, the place it rightfully belongs to."<BR/><BR/>Yeah ! You have already made up your mind like the army so you can ignore my rebuttals above and carry on with your tirade against the Arjun !<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately the tax payers will ask very uncomfortable questions.<BR/><BR/>Like do the comparative trial with a third party or in full media glare and settle this once and for all. And if Arjun fails lets stop all indigenous tank R&D altogether and import and assemble kits using screw drivers.<BR/><BR/>That's what even you want right ?<BR/><BR/>But if Arjun blows out the T-90 then that should be the end of tank imports in India. <BR/><BR/>Either way the winner takes it all. That should be fair enough isn't it ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54679437041433125402008-08-03T18:53:00.000-07:002008-08-03T18:53:00.000-07:00"Harry Says...For the pro-Arjun lobby, no argument..."Harry Says...<BR/><BR/>For the pro-Arjun lobby, no arguments/facts are good enough.<BR/><BR/>Going by Ajai's latest article (this one), Arjun was a piece of junk till 2005, which is when my information dates from. "<BR/><BR/>That's exactly what I said Dodo:<BR/>Its as of 2005 not as of today. <BR/>Its OUTDATED ! Read my post again if it was not clear why I called it Outdated !<BR/><BR/>I never said don't induct T-90S in numbers but justifying that import on the basis of non-performance of Arjun is Bull Shit !<BR/><BR/>Using the same justification to kill the Arjun project completely is even more criminal and making the country go back to the drawing board is like taking the country back to 1974 !<BR/><BR/>That's why the allegation. Obviously you don't read. These army officers responsible for procurement will have to stand the scrutiny of the Indian tax payer no matter what.<BR/><BR/>We can go back to the drawing board for something like a light tank which is the requirement in the eastern theater. <BR/><BR/>The idea will be to build on the lessons learnt from the Arjun project not just in terms of technology but also in terms of production processes and quality control and assurance issues. That doesn't come with assembling SKD kits with screw drivers. <BR/><BR/>Had that been the case as we have been "assembling" the T-72 for so long now, we would have been able to leap frog to our own MBT without having to import the T-90S at all in the first place. Something like what China does. It just tries to reverse engineer stuff it imports to make a cheap clone but when it doesn't work its completely clueless why it didn't work.<BR/><BR/>The technology of our MBT program has matured and now by allowing the Arjun production to continue we can identify and iron out all the QA issues in the production builds, and that's what this is all about. <BR/><BR/>By killing the Arjun project altogether you go back to 1974 ! That's why the allegations !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11896808500206606282008-08-03T18:36:00.000-07:002008-08-03T18:36:00.000-07:00"To Anonymous who said:Please bother to read it an..."To Anonymous who said:<BR/>Please bother to read it and then talk about "facts" and "timelines":... DRDO had to re – design the structure of chassis/ hull.<BR/>Dude, the GSQR is expected to change in 30 years, and it did. It's is DRDO's incompetence that the tank did not meet even the basic requirements each time it was evaluated."<BR/><BR/>What about now in 2008 ? <BR/><BR/>Heat hardened electronics-yes<BR/>Medium water fording-yes<BR/>NBC protection- Yes<BR/>ATGM firing capability-yes<BR/><BR/>Does the Arjun meet all the GSQR AS OF TODAY or not ? <BR/><BR/>But NOW you'll say: No No ! Our tank doctrine has changed to suit the T-90S so we don't need the "middle level" Arjun anymore. <BR/><BR/>We need something more "Futuristic" ! <BR/><BR/>Like an upgraded T series not made keeping in mind the climes and terrains of this country but only customized as we go along the inductionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50166206907943810292008-08-03T10:23:00.000-07:002008-08-03T10:23:00.000-07:00Harry Says...For the pro-Arjun lobby, no arguments...Harry Says...<BR/><BR/>For the pro-Arjun lobby, no arguments/facts are good enough. <BR/><BR/>Going by Ajai's latest article (this one), Arjun was a piece of junk till 2005, which is when my information dates from. <BR/><BR/>Making baseless alligations against senior Army officers (without proof), trying to destroy the T-90's reputation, and blaming the changing GSQR (as would be expected over 30 years) does not make Arjun a good tank. <BR/><BR/>Arjun has failed trial after trial and continues to do so. T-90 (if it starts local production) would be as indigenous as the Arjun, which imports all it's important systems (FCS, Engine and Transmission). So much for indigenization! Yup, we welded the tank together.<BR/><BR/>Unless it is conclusively proved that Arjun really did make a massive qualitative jump post 2006, I would say Arjun is still junk. In that case Arjun Tank would make a good septic tank, the place it rightfully belongs to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47155542015175163282008-08-03T10:09:00.000-07:002008-08-03T10:09:00.000-07:00To Jai who said:"temp setting of electronic device...To Jai who said:<BR/><I>"temp setting of electronic device which by mistake was not set for 60 deg celsius" </I><BR/>Dude, if you knew electronics at all you would know that is not the way it works. The temperature tolerance is inherited at manufacturing. In any case, if DRDO is so incompetent as to not set a switch right, the organization should be closed now. Also, tonnes of information is available on why the Army rejected the tank. In fact, more information is available than should rightfully be in the public domain. Please go through it. Lastly, if you cared to read through what I posted, you might see the truth. The facts I quoted, were from your hero, Ajai! Thanks you.<BR/><BR/><BR/>For Anonymous who said:<BR/>http://frontierindia.net/savearjuntank/arjun-tank-faq<BR/>Ha! Ha! Ha! Are you offering that site as an authoratative word on the tank? Dude, who created that site. Could it be DRDO? Ha! Ha! Ha!<BR/><BR/><BR/>To Anonymous who said:<BR/><I> Please bother to read it and then talk about "facts" and "timelines":... DRDO had to re – design the structure of chassis/ hull. </I><BR/>Dude, the GSQR is expected to change in 30 years, and it did. It's is DRDO's incompetence that the tank did not meet even the basic requirements each time it was evaluated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24385054833600926062008-08-02T10:20:00.000-07:002008-08-02T10:20:00.000-07:00Where are these "stubbornly upstanding COs" Ajai o...Where are these "stubbornly upstanding COs" Ajai of the likes of Brigadier Chandra Mukesh , Maj. Gen. H.M. Singh, Lt. Gen . Panag ? <BR/><BR/>Please give them spotlight on TV on a panel discussion like the "Big Fight".<BR/><BR/>You yourself were a tank commander and have seen the T-72 up close and personal so you can emcee the whole show.<BR/><BR/>Time to place the last nail in the coffin of these needless and faulty imports has come now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43711899936418525362008-08-02T10:03:00.000-07:002008-08-02T10:03:00.000-07:00I remember watching Ajai's NDTV piece on the Arjun...I remember watching Ajai's NDTV piece on the Arjun which probably marked the beginning of his changed viewpoint having watched the tank perform for himself at Avadi.<BR/><BR/>Some people have questioned Ajai's motives in asking for a comparative trial under third party supervision. Now from the same piece I also remember Maj. Gen H.M. Singh's closing remarks about the need of comparative trials but with the rider of giving Arjun a "level playing field". <BR/><BR/>Now why would a serving army officer go on record in a national TV channel demanding "level playing field" ??<BR/><BR/>Because he is (or was) more than aware of the insiders in the army who were out there to scuttle any effort to project Arjun as a success. <BR/><BR/>Its because of these insiders that the Arjun was made to run endlessly in the winter AUCRT beyond its preventive maint schedules leading to breakdowns in HPS and transmission systems. That's where the angle of sabotage comes into the picture. <BR/><BR/>Now I'm happy that happened because all the problems were fixed and the summer AUCRT went flawlessly thereby denying the army even that opportunity to bad mouth the Arjun.<BR/><BR/>I challenge the DGMF to flog the T-90 and T-72 the same way as they did to Arjun and rest assured the puny 1000 hp will pack up in MFFR without doubt !<BR/><BR/>No wonder then that the same CVRDE is then given the scum job of "Indianizing" the T-72's engine cooling system so that it can work in Indian climes and terrains.<BR/><BR/>Think when the T-72s were inducted and see when that paper was written and we thought the T-72s are the "workhorse" Main Battle Tank of the Indian Army ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-16580192523060798482008-08-02T09:38:00.000-07:002008-08-02T09:38:00.000-07:00Just for you dodo Harry ! Please bother to read it...Just for you dodo Harry ! Please bother to read it and then talk about "facts" and "timelines":<BR/><BR/>Timeline 1: Based on GSQR No. 326, the project was sanctioned vide the Government of India (GOI) letter dated 02 May, 1974. Project Development Certification (PDC) of the project was 10 years from the date of sanction.<BR/><BR/>Timeline 2: In April 1978, the Indian Army called DRDO for a meeting for mutual discussions. The aim was to change the GSQR No. 326. A series of meetings between DRDO and Indian Army, chaired by VCOAS resulted in change in GSQR. The new GSQR bearing the number 431 was issued in August 1982.<BR/><BR/>The changes in the GSQR No. 431 were<BR/><BR/>a)Increase in width and weight<BR/>b)110/115mm gun was to be replaced with a 120mm gun.<BR/>c)Improved Sighting and Fire Control system.<BR/><BR/>Essentially it meant creation of entirely new design and systems. This means, that Arjun Tank was developed in 20 years and not 30 years. But the story does not end there.<BR/><BR/>The first prototype of the MBT was developed based on GSQR No. 326 of 1972 and No. 431 of 1982.<BR/><BR/>Timeline 3: Indian Army changed its GSQR and in November 1985, third GSQR No. 467 was issued. The changes in GSQR were:<BR/><BR/>a)More lethal gun of 120mm caliber.<BR/>b)Requirement of Fin Stabilized Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot (FSAPDS)<BR/>c)Development of Semi Combustible Cartridge cases and high energy propellant.<BR/>d)Integrated Fire Control System based on sight stabilized system with periscopic gunner sight.<BR/>e)Thermal Imaging system for gunner’s main sight for night fighting capabilities.<BR/>f)Provision of “Kanchan Armour” for enhanced immunity<BR/><BR/>DRDO had to re – design the structure of chassis/ hull. The turret had to be designed again to cater to improved armour protection and a high power to weight ratio power pack. The MBT now also to feature Nuclear Biological and Chemical (NBC) warfare and protection system, Medium Fording capability, auxiliary power unit (APU), Laser Warning System (LWS) and Global Positioning System (GPS).<BR/><BR/>Timeline 4: The status of the Arjun Tank was reviewed by the COAS in May 1994 and “bottom line requirements” were laid down. After the completion of the 1994 trials on MBT Arjun, a presentation was made to the COAS and he laid down “Imperatives” in August 1994.<BR/><BR/>Timeline 4: In November 1997, the final list of suggested modifications and “joint Action Plan” for the implementation and certification was drafted. DRDO implemented the modification to the satisfaction of the Indian Army.<BR/><BR/>From DRDO's recent statement the project was closed in 1995, since then whatever has changed since then are only pre production teething troubles like medium water fording, electronics packing up, transmission problems etc, all btw were ironed out.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, you'll conveniently choose not to listen and post some trashy old standing committee status report to carry on and on, pretty much the same like the DGMF carrying out the sham of testing the Arjun forever in the name of summer trials, winter trials, mobility trials, AUCRT etc but its chickening out of the most important comparative trials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33246259089000176852008-08-02T09:24:00.000-07:002008-08-02T09:24:00.000-07:00"For the dissenting voice: Please put up your fact..."For the dissenting voice: Please put up your facts in view of the timeline above"<BR/><BR/>Ha Ha Ha. Looks who's talking about facts after trying to pass off trash ! Except that its not funny.<BR/><BR/>For the record go through these "facts" here:<BR/>http://frontierindia.net/savearjuntank/arjun-tank-faq<BR/><BR/>The lengthier you post Harry, the more juvenile you appearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-19753734212120592302008-08-02T09:20:00.000-07:002008-08-02T09:20:00.000-07:00Forget it Jai !You are barking up against the wron...Forget it Jai !<BR/><BR/>You are barking up against the wrong tree or rather should I say up against a Flat Wall !<BR/><BR/>Its exactly this ostrich like attitude in the army as well that's stonewalling the Arjun induction in numbersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-89998435588281472922008-08-02T07:59:00.000-07:002008-08-02T07:59:00.000-07:00HarryYou seems to be a empty drummer. You dont see...Harry<BR/><BR/>You seems to be a empty drummer. You dont seems not to have complete understanding on the events and wants to make tug-of-war by throwing arguments eventhough you been confronted with umpteen no. of facts. I doubt you grabed any of them. If you dont have an idea, better to ask for claification than making a broad statement.<BR/><BR/>Drdo issued statement after 2005 incident that the issue is with the temp setting of electronic device which by mistake was not set for 60 deg celsius. These are teething troubles which are expected in any new production line more so in defence where the specification and complications are comparatively higher. Next time before pick some random statements for flagging your horse, make yourself educated on the Arjun program.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the decision that taken 3 years before that you started grabbling around: If they are set on not inducting the tank, they must come out clearly what made them to reject the tank. So far no explanation was heard. Ajai also mentioned DGMF has no real objection list to Arjun. All the objections they raised are duly addressed.<BR/><BR/>Then tank was made as per GSQR set by IA. After each and every mistake pointed by IA on Arjun, developement agency worked assiduously in fixing them and presented the Arjun as we see it today(These are facts). <BR/><BR/>India is not a banna republic, to launch or throw any project out as IA wish. Just as there is committee sanctioning the project, there must be consensus by the involved parties as for whay and which reason the Arjun cannot be inducted. Did you heard about the name CAG ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-14783466058633712972008-08-02T05:46:00.000-07:002008-08-02T05:46:00.000-07:00Harry Says...Some people, on this site, have cast ...Harry Says...<BR/><BR/>Some people, on this site, have cast serious doubts on the motives of senior officers in the Indian Army when it comes to a question on the Arjun Tank. Here is my viewpoint. <BR/><BR/>To quote from Ajai Shukla's article above:<BR/><I><B> 1) in June 2005... the Arjun was to prove its capability in comparative trials... that turned out to be a total fiasco! The Arjun’s electronics packed up in the heat and the trials were over even before they began.<BR/>2) in early 2005... the problem of the hydro pneumatic suspension unit (HSU) was licked </B></I><BR/><BR/>Thus, <B>EVEN AS LATE AS 2005, THE ARJUN WAS NOWHERE CLOSE TO BEING BATTLE READY</B> (Ref: quotes from Ajai Shukla's article above). <BR/><BR/>Keep these facts above in mind, and then see the Army's viewpoint.<BR/><BR/>In 2005, egged on by a pressing need to upgrade it's Armoured fist, and because of the state of the Arjun, the Army made up it's mind to continue relying on Russian Armour. The Army then went on to place an additional order for 350+ T-90s. <BR/><BR/>Now, <BR/>1) Given Arjun's state in 2005, do you blame the Army generals for their decision not to opt for the Arjun?<BR/>2) More importantly, after having made a decision to stick to Russian Armour and after having ordered another 350+ T-90s in 2006, do you blame them for resisting what is essentially a U-Turn in policy in 2008? That would make them look real bad. <BR/><BR/>Policies, especially in the field of Defence procurement, don't get formed, or changed, in a day. It is but natural to expect people/organizations to try and defend informed decisions made just 2-3 years ago, especially where we are taking about hugh sums of money. So, please stop bad-mouthing our generals. <BR/><BR/>Even if we "assume" that the Arjun has made a qualitative jump is the last couple of years, the decisions made by the Army in 2005-2006, look like a very sound decisions.<BR/><BR/>(For the dissenting voice: Please put up your facts in view of the timeline above)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64728360618175179682008-08-01T12:29:00.000-07:002008-08-01T12:29:00.000-07:001. If Arjun is inducted in large numbers into IA, ...1. If Arjun is inducted in large numbers into IA, then funds will not be there to invest in developing the next future generation tank in Russia, as India will not buy/produce T-90 <BR/>(A vintage T-72 re-design) in the current numbers. So influence is playing key role now.<BR/>WHY ? …Because Russian Army do not need T-90 for cost and also because of the vintage re-design based on T-72, which is going to be obsolete by next 3-5 yrs. Instead they would like to invest in a futuristic tank which can evade radars, better fire power, better heat shielding, better protection, lightweight for easy deployabilty/mobility and with better electronics like integration with network centric warfare etc.etc.(US is designing a plastics and composite based tank of the future) so they need investment for future product to do that India has to buy T-90 that too in numbers. <BR/><BR/>2. If Arjun (The Hunter-Tank Killer) is inducted into IA in large numbers then the Balance Of Power will go terribly in favor of India..some most powerful and big countries also allies of Pakistan would not like to see that, so they would put their influence behind powerful people/decision makers. Again Influence is playing major role.<BR/>WHY? Because India will be able to focus on it’s North and East borders and challenges more aggressively J<BR/><BR/>3. If Arjun is inducted it will BOOST the morale of the designers/engineers, project manages in DRDO which in turn will result in developing better technologies and products of the future generation very quickly, besides reducing dependency on military equipment exporter nations also impacting their sales. So this is the time to break Indian scientist’s backbone by killing projects like Arjun, LCA and Indian AWACS etc.<BR/>If some one remembers how LCA FCS project delay (technology denial and siege) impacted the overall LCA project opening the path for MMRCA, the biggest defense deal ? Please let me know how many of you think if LCA was not delayed then India still would have gone for MRCA? <BR/><BR/>Ajay Ji …WE NEED to ask the decision makers to participate in public debate in a TV show to prove their points against ARJUN..and I have my points against them ready.<BR/><BR/>1. They have to prove that IA was always working together with DRDO, by not only refining the requirements (GSQR) but also giving suggestions to overcome them ASAP so that it can be inducted in IA quickly.<BR/>2. Let them give us a single example where, concept to production in the first try has been successful, without using a iterative cycle of refinements like using MK 1.MK 2 MK 3. and Why the same process can not be adopted for Arjun also? <BR/>3. Why IA is hesitant to do a trail of Arjun and T-90 in parallel, no matter how stringent testing happens for Arjun but a T-90 should also face the same test same time, in same terrain and targeting same kind of targets using same mobility/speed.(Even we all know Arjun’s capability to hit the target on the move J vis-à-vis T-90).<BR/>4. Importance of a indigenous equipment at the time of War..and it’s impact on availability of spares etc . <BR/><BR/>Also we need silent investigations to check if any of these people/burocrats are getting any benefit/favour in return as means of kind (even including getting kids selected for scholarships/sponsorship for their education in foreign institutions) or cash?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64805979706811614832008-08-01T12:14:00.000-07:002008-08-01T12:14:00.000-07:00Do you know how much TATA invested in Nano??? Thre...<I>Do you know how much TATA invested in Nano??? Three times of that of Arjun.</I><BR/><BR/>Pritam, the amount Tata spent developing the Nano was much more than that. Their investment in Singur itself is ~2000 crore or something...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8367579335472203462008-08-01T10:27:00.000-07:002008-08-01T10:27:00.000-07:00PritamThe Gorshkov was supposed to have been a com...Pritam<BR/>The Gorshkov was supposed to have been a combined deal with the two Akula II's and 6 Tu-22 bombers. I don't believe the simplistic line about 1.2 Billion dollars going into just cabling and other price increases on just the Gorshkov.<BR/>There is definitely more to this than meets the eye. One possibility is that the prices of all things including the constructuion of the Akulas has increased. The other possibility is that India is paying for price increase + something more.<BR/>As far as your comments on the DRDO building thermonukes, let us wait until DRDO actually demostrates that the bomb they designed and built "is a thermonuke and it works".<BR/>CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com