tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post2460870316669964069..comments2024-03-14T06:10:14.591-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Initial indications that Russia could sell China the Su-35Broadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54055258023760886762010-11-29T14:11:52.287-08:002010-11-29T14:11:52.287-08:00By the time China would be fielding Su-35BM, India...By the time China would be fielding Su-35BM, India will be fielding PAK-FA and thats crucial so no need to panic. Timeline matters.<br /><br />Best regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36422825070780641572010-11-28T22:47:10.625-08:002010-11-28T22:47:10.625-08:00Mr. Ra - And who is this Navaj Sharif?
The JF 17...Mr. Ra - And who is this Navaj Sharif? <br /><br />The JF 17 is definitely not inferior to the Mig 21 or 23. Aiyyo, this sad.Heberiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13094049209473105012010-11-27T23:07:14.737-08:002010-11-27T23:07:14.737-08:00I DONT UNDERSTAND ONE THING THAT WHY ON FIRST PLAC...I DONT UNDERSTAND ONE THING THAT WHY ON FIRST PLACE DID RUSSIA FIELDED THE MiG 35 INSTEAD OF THE Su 35BM WHICH IS A MORE CAPABLE FIGHTER AS WE ALL KNOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE REASON BEHIND THIS, AJAI SIR? IT{THE SUKHOI}HAD MORE CHANCES OF WINNING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90319517961606155712010-11-26T03:36:24.551-08:002010-11-26T03:36:24.551-08:00we shouldnt be too worried as su-30 mki already ha...we shouldnt be too worried as su-30 mki already has most tech specs similar to su-35.. plus i guess lets give it to the chinese who are great at reverse engineering as was proved by their ability to galvanise their entire aviation industry with just one sale of su-27s by russia....satyamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67802845305923112182010-11-25T10:46:29.214-08:002010-11-25T10:46:29.214-08:00Unfortunately JF-17 has been inferior to some vint...Unfortunately JF-17 has been inferior to some vintage aircrafts like Mig-23 or some variants of Mig-21 except for the payloads. Otherwise as humbly suggested by Navaj Sharif, they could have considered purchasing a few of them at throw away prices. Lol...Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42469702590805233182010-11-25T06:15:21.133-08:002010-11-25T06:15:21.133-08:00First of all this whole 5th gen 4th gen thing is j...First of all this whole 5th gen 4th gen thing is just bull#@!$. <br />Second, we are running huge deficits here in the US, and I dont think spending 25% of our federal budget on defence is the right priority.<br />The problem with the F-35 is that it is optimized to be versatile, not to be really exceptional at a specific role. This is ok , but it depends on what you use it for, if you have a second fighter to do your air superiority stuff etc. <br />For example, the US has some F-22s and more than enough F-15s. So really the F-35 will do the rest. <br />In India's case, there will be more than enough Su-30s and FGFA/MRCA. So getting F-35s for the attack role would be more than prudent.<br /><br />I mentioned the older fighters , and the f-18 is one of the best in the world now, in terms of multirole capability ( not as good as eurofighter in air superiority, or as good as f-35 in ground attack) but it does the job.<br />The thing is, stealth and so called 5th gen tech is easy to defeat, as in the countermeasures are much cheaper and more effective than technology itself. <br />So why spend too much resources on it?<br />Stealth succeeded in Iraq, because quite frankly, their military was pathetic.<br />But dont forget , the Serbs shot down an F-117 over Kosovo. <br />Anyway, over all of that, if we can find a way to reduce poverty in America, and to improve infrastructure in India, it would be more constructive.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13762015486618500386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39116629207700731812010-11-25T03:45:18.832-08:002010-11-25T03:45:18.832-08:00IF PRC IS BUYING SU 35 WE SHOULD DEVELOP NEW UPGRA...IF PRC IS BUYING SU 35 WE SHOULD DEVELOP NEW UPGRADED SU 30 MKI AND SHOULD NOT SCRAP MMRCA.THIS NEW MKI SOUL BE 4.75GEN.WE SHOULD BUY NEW SAMS LIKE S 400.WE SHOULD ALSO SPEED UP LCA.I IN 2020 OR 2025 WE SHOULD HAVE 200 LCAs,200 FGFAs,230 SU 30 MKIs,12 AWACS,15O MEDIUM FIGHTERS.PRANAV UNDALKARnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33939612970056871992010-11-24T21:48:20.739-08:002010-11-24T21:48:20.739-08:00The Russians may OFFER the Su-35 to China, but it ...The Russians may OFFER the Su-35 to China, but it makes no difference to us. The Chinese aviation industry is sufficiently advanced that they no longer need to import Russian planes, only components. It would be far more beneficial for them to just upgrade the J-10/11 designs(which they're already doing) than to buy another new Russian plane.<br /><br />Any new advancements like engines, radar and electronic warfare systems can just be imported directly from Russia/Ukraine and integrated.Gautamhttp://gautamnatrajan@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62725596027975830782010-11-24T09:39:33.506-08:002010-11-24T09:39:33.506-08:00The Russians probably are offering su-35, so that ...The Russians probably are offering su-35, so that china may drop j-11 since its a copy of su-27 and go for new aircraft. Just like we are being offered gripen Ng instead of gripen c/d so that we don't go for tejas mk-1.<br />The engine 117s has been explicitly mentioned, thus it may be that the engine developer of pakfa is short on funds and expects an economically viable order of 300 to set up production lines for the first batch of pak fa. I personally feel the Russians coming up with a 175 kn engine for fgfa by 2020 is a joke and a poor one at that. Russians and Europeons have thrown their defence industries to the wolves of the market. They provide only tactic support in foreign procurements. Mmrca, Fgfa will get more costly as we demand more, since any development cost would be fed back into unit costs. <br />once awareness develops in general public about squandering foreign exchange in defence purchases, politicians would have to answer and lavish programmes are going to be cut.our 5th generation fleet is going to have to bet on ada AMCA and numbers will depend on Lca mk-2. IAF is so getting ripped off in Mmrca and Fgfa.Ben - Yours trulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07594456179410909178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11582708452809636482010-11-24T07:54:35.676-08:002010-11-24T07:54:35.676-08:00The problems for India may be multiplied manifolds...The problems for India may be multiplied manifolds when China helps Papistan to produce Su-35 indigenously within Pakistan.<br /><br />I think this news may be a trap so that instead of the proper MMRCA, the India shall be made to purchase the Su-35 or the equivalent EFT.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3842763255179359372010-11-24T07:29:26.406-08:002010-11-24T07:29:26.406-08:00Ajai sir,
Could you get the reactions from our M...Ajai sir, <br /><br />Could you get the reactions from our Mod or armed forces ?<br /><br />Even though the blog states that china is funding the t-50 do u think its possible?<br /><br />Will the su30mki be able to hold on its own & defeat the su35?<br /><br />Couldn't you influence the MoD through Broadsword to allow other private players to produce su30mki since HAL produces it at a dismal rate of about 11 per year and there is a backlog of 200+?lspknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82126175352509036992010-11-24T05:49:45.653-08:002010-11-24T05:49:45.653-08:00Hi Prasun,
The chinese indeed place the JF-17, J1...Hi Prasun,<br /><br />The chinese indeed place the JF-17, J10, SU27/30, F16, EF, F18, all as 3rd Gen. F35/F22 are 4th gen for them. Their numbering system is one below the western system. This has caused a lot of confusion everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81926420247291531882010-11-23T23:19:27.223-08:002010-11-23T23:19:27.223-08:00Nice info. Russian give them a chance to strip dow...Nice info. Russian give them a chance to strip down & copy and at the same time, cry out (not so loudly) that China is stealing IPsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61211155447094060252010-11-23T23:12:33.224-08:002010-11-23T23:12:33.224-08:00The following 4 thoughts came to my mind on readin...The following 4 thoughts came to my mind on reading this article,<br /><br />1. Russians are selling 5th-gen to China & India. Same thing with Americans selling to others. Indians are "financing" Russians to develop the PAK-FA (5th-gen) fighter. That means, Russians and Americans must be working on 6th-gen.<br />2. There is no doubt, China and Pakistan will continue to pose territorial threat to India. Under such situation, are we content in maintaining a "Minimum credible deterrence" posture, given the double whammy?<br />3. Are India's so-called premier institutes of research and technology really geared to conduct futuristic research or are the kids there being raised to cater to "Global workforce". I don't see any India based Indian performing cutting edge research or making any new scientific discoveries. <br />4. Does making research require Govt backing or license? Or is the environment not conducive/favorable for futuristic research in India?<br /><br />somehow I feel Indians do not take themselves seriously, the "Chalta hai" attitude pervades everywhere in our public culture and hence we time and again seek divine blessings and super weapons from our Gods "Russia" and "America".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50539769566291704742010-11-23T22:30:39.875-08:002010-11-23T22:30:39.875-08:00Further I feel India must invest heavily into spac...Further I feel India must invest heavily into space technologies, further the leaps she already has taken in that arena into a trump card. It would be great to see India become the leader in space exploration rather than being a 5th or 6th comer at every stage!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86291988488977861592010-11-23T22:28:11.173-08:002010-11-23T22:28:11.173-08:00Frankly speaking we need to look only to maintain ...Frankly speaking we need to look only to maintain a credible balance vis a vis China as the chances of a hot conflict erupting are meagre if any, economics dictates that today. India and China may growl at each other but it wont come to exchanging blows<br />S300's may not be as advanced (given there S400 and S500 with increased ranges and better radars) but India yet has to get rid of pechoras if we go by your last article, maybe that should be the priority, defensive preparations!!! Lastly I dont know what Indian strategy is on having a JV and indigenous 5th gen prog(even USA has 1 5th gen programme at a time) but I guess rather than try to get a 3rd 5th gen craft we better try to assimilate tech from the assured proj(FGFA) into the indigenous one(AMCA). Is that fair? (not that I am an expert, just my two cents worth)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47570640957432615992010-11-23T21:54:46.396-08:002010-11-23T21:54:46.396-08:00Err..is the T-50 (aka PAK-FA) up for sale to China...Err..is the T-50 (aka PAK-FA) up for sale to China? <br /><br />If it is being developed with India money, I hope there is a clause someplace that says India will have a say in deciding export customers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53994442937701617372010-11-23T19:06:00.469-08:002010-11-23T19:06:00.469-08:00My impressions from the China International Aviati...My impressions from the China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, which was held in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, last week:<br />1) The Chinese do not refer to the JF-17 Thunder and J-10A/B Soaring Dragon as 4th-generation MRCA. According to AVIC Defense and CATIC China's first 4th-generation MRCA is presently being developed and this will be likely known as the Jian J-14. It will be a single-seat, twin-engined J-10 with twin canted vertical stabilisers, and powered by two AL-31FN turbofans. It will have panoramic AMLCDs in the cockpit of the type displayed at Zhuhai both in 2008 and this time as well. <br />2) The 5th-generation MRCA is being developed in parallel to the J-14 and this will likely be designated as the Jian J-20. Chengdu Aircraft Co is leading the R & D effort for both the J-14 and J-20. <br />3) Consequently, both the existing J-10A/B and JF-17 cannot be compared to the F-16 Block 52/60. Both in terms of performance and reliability, the J-10 and JF-17 are still years behind the F-16 Block 52/60. <br />4) Therefore, for the Pakistan Air Force's requirement, the CAC is now developing the FC-20, which will incorporate on board some of the technologies already developed by China for the J-14 programme. But have no doubts about the FC-20's future service induction. Both the FC-20 and the JF-17 will be hard-wired to work in conjunction with the PAF-specific ZDK-03 AEW & C platforms.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.com