tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post2110863789541956801..comments2024-03-14T06:10:14.591-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: IAF chief flies in the Sukhoi-30MKI: but what strikes you most in this photograph?Broadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15932377297910147562011-12-30T07:58:24.270-08:002011-12-30T07:58:24.270-08:00The tail number reads SB32. Wouldn't it mean t...The tail number reads <b>SB32</b>. Wouldn't it mean the aircraft wan't made by HAL, but came from the Irkutsk. Not confident with HAL product our ACM is?Subhankarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03237844247688669327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24795849538752836732011-12-23T10:22:45.352-08:002011-12-23T10:22:45.352-08:00Toilet seat covers that is. remember USAF ones use...Toilet seat covers that is. remember USAF ones used to cost $600Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42046434630960835802011-12-23T10:20:08.552-08:002011-12-23T10:20:08.552-08:00What about IAF toilet seats. are the prices mentio...What about IAF toilet seats. are the prices mentioned somewhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-79317486483844945062011-12-23T07:44:46.924-08:002011-12-23T07:44:46.924-08:00a great find colonela great find colonelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-11167662400436114932011-12-23T07:30:12.513-08:002011-12-23T07:30:12.513-08:00It is amazing to see people here rationalising the...It is amazing to see people here rationalising the high cost of these ladders as if they are some super duper hi-tech hard-to-make items.<br /><br />Sorry to disappoint you, people, but private contractors do fleece the armed forces when it comes to selling them equipment. I should know, I worked for one.<br /><br />The reason the military doesn't make too much of a fuss is that these items are still far cheaper than what they would pay if these were to be purchase directly from abroad.Vijaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76568890489175461852011-12-22T23:59:17.132-08:002011-12-22T23:59:17.132-08:00It may be rather illogical to read the cost of a l...It may be rather illogical to read the cost of a ladder when riding in to a bigger aircraft. But they have kept separate costs on both ladders. So it may be something funny.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83504609479907929922011-12-22T23:33:26.951-08:002011-12-22T23:33:26.951-08:00I bought a simple local made 4 feet swivel Alumini...I bought a simple local made 4 feet swivel Aluminium ladder for domestic use which cost me 3500 Rs about 5 years back. <br /><br />The Su-30 is a pretty big aircraft,if made with quality material and welding,the costs quoted may not be that high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32177853707680169632011-12-22T20:22:02.622-08:002011-12-22T20:22:02.622-08:00A great observation. Such issues may not be restri...A great observation. Such issues may not be restricted to the IAF alone, and may be happening in other services as well? It may be some additional fodder for the CAG to look into? Why not get some appropriate people from the IAF (serving or retired) to clarify)?Shubhamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84631641142976937472011-12-22T20:08:38.545-08:002011-12-22T20:08:38.545-08:00Ajai,
That's a gross over simplification. The ...Ajai,<br />That's a gross over simplification. The ladders were probably custom built and in small quantities. The cost of navigating the red tape of the MoD babudom would also have been factored in. You can call it corruption, but I call it "cost of doing business" with this ... this government. <br />Not for a moment do I believe that the manufacturer made a killing here.bookzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10498156790382629217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10961333421450499732011-12-22T17:09:37.165-08:002011-12-22T17:09:37.165-08:00Price on the ladder! Hum, I remember seeming some...Price on the ladder! Hum, I remember seeming something that looked like the price printed on the front section (probably the nose) of a Mig-21 in the film Vijeta. I always though I was reading too much into it, but now after 20+ years since first seeing that, I think it probably was the real price of a Mid-21. Indirectly you have actually helped close the loop on an open question. So thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85644411654958046772011-12-22T13:15:53.283-08:002011-12-22T13:15:53.283-08:00Dear Colonel,
Very ingenious. But these are not o...Dear Colonel,<br /><br />Very ingenious. But these are not ordinarly ladders. These are custom made ladders that need to be of specific standards. Yes, I can put together a ladder of similar shape and size with tubes and welding for much lesser price of Rs 1000. bUt there is no guarantee that when the Air Chief Marshal climbs on it, it wont break and he will fall to teh ground.<br /><br />That said, 12000 and 15000 is not too much for ladders imported direct from overseas. Its 230 and 285 USD respectively.<br /><br />When a regular ladder in Home Depot costs 260USD, (see http://www.homedepot.com/Building-Materials-Ladders/h_d1/N-5yc1vZaqnp/R-100659877/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 ) I really cannot complain if an imported ladder from Russia, built to specific measurements and certified for certain loads goes for the same prices. Yes once you start manufacturing them inhouse you may make them cheaper, but focus first on building the Sukhois at home cheaper.. ladders can wait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-88943302662740767132011-12-22T09:54:12.943-08:002011-12-22T09:54:12.943-08:00Colonel,
With the greatest of respect, a speciali...Colonel,<br /><br />With the greatest of respect, a specialised ladder at Rs.12,000.00 is a pretty good deal. At the prevailing exchange rate, that works out to $228.00. PLease see enclosed link to Walmart - which prides itself on sourcing quantity to provide low prices. Their ladder is only $109.00 but might not be suitable for safe use with an Su....Or even reach as far!<br /><br />Best regards<br /><br />http://www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-17-World-s-Greatest-Ladder/11150979?findingMethod=rrKDGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70809669159178568402011-12-22T09:28:34.278-08:002011-12-22T09:28:34.278-08:00so where is the price tag on the airplane?so where is the price tag on the airplane?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61014154455546983032011-12-22T09:20:28.152-08:002011-12-22T09:20:28.152-08:00Well, I tried zooming the picture as much as I cou...Well, I tried zooming the picture as much as I could, but still could not make out the writing on the ladders. And I know what to look for now. This is not a fair question (;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80441535495600780882011-12-22T08:16:59.509-08:002011-12-22T08:16:59.509-08:00are the said ladders procured with the aircraft......are the said ladders procured with the aircraft....is it like each a/c has a separate set of laddders?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66760813393883831272011-12-22T07:21:30.318-08:002011-12-22T07:21:30.318-08:00Sorry to rebut you all very conclusively, but I ha...Sorry to rebut you all very conclusively, but I have the original photograph in its full file size, and I can expand it to 24 inches X 24 inches.<br /><br />The price is that of the ladders. Just for your information, all army equipment has the price written on it, even motor-cycles! The aim was to make the soldier aware of the cost so that he would handle it with greater care.<br /><br />Those ladders are Rs 12,000/- and Rs 15,000/- respectively. Don't waste your time arguing with me... instead, get out there an sell the IAF some ladders. You won't regret it.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81247419636781938852011-12-22T05:08:07.084-08:002011-12-22T05:08:07.084-08:00Nope colonel, it is the cost of the airframe only....Nope colonel, it is the cost of the airframe only. Earlier used to be written just under the canopy or on the fore section of the nose.<br /><br />12K Lakhs + 15K Lakhs = $52 Million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53897788538911723142011-12-21T23:32:43.377-08:002011-12-21T23:32:43.377-08:00Its a bit strange that they will write the acquisi...Its a bit strange that they will write the acquisition cost of a ladder like this. It doesnt make sense for any audit or operational purpose.<br /><br />I am sure Ajai ji its not the price, which is mentioned by COST. It has to be an abbreviation of something else.Tejanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33773014083539628702011-12-21T21:31:24.191-08:002011-12-21T21:31:24.191-08:00OH Col...apne to daryi diya tha!!! Sigh of relief ...OH Col...apne to daryi diya tha!!! Sigh of relief for all of us...We all very well know that DPSU and its union are biggest thugs supported by each successive government in center for financing so-called democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-64340356898245334592011-12-21T20:13:12.469-08:002011-12-21T20:13:12.469-08:00No sir you got it wrong, its the cost of aircraft ...No sir you got it wrong, its the cost of aircraft that they are flying...earlier they used to write on the nose of the aircraft but now on the ladder.its something like 200 lac... may be your assumption is also correct bcoz it reads 52000...but they used do the latter in early days don't know whether they even follow it now..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-51918690288703301842011-12-21T20:09:15.651-08:002011-12-21T20:09:15.651-08:00@ajai sir
do i sniff another scam here
He!!He!!
...@ajai sir<br /><br />do i sniff another scam here<br /><br />He!!He!!<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Joydeep Ghoshjoydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84987566819467556862011-12-21T19:37:37.033-08:002011-12-21T19:37:37.033-08:00Ladder price_ What an Idea Sirjee.Ladder price_ What an Idea Sirjee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87827432101420431912011-12-21T18:32:11.553-08:002011-12-21T18:32:11.553-08:00OKAY, OKAY... I MUST SAY THAT I STAND EXPOSED BY A...OKAY, OKAY... I MUST SAY THAT I STAND EXPOSED BY ALL YOUR HIGHLY TECHNICAL REPLIES!! HUDs; MISSILE BAYS; NV GOGGLES; CANARD POSITIONS!<br /><br />NO, I'M AFRAID MY OBSERVATION IS MORE THAT OF A JOURNALIST!<br /><br />IT IS THIS: ZOOM INTO THE PHOTO AND YOU WILL FIND... WRITTEN ON THE THIRD RUNG FROM THE TOP ON EACH OF THE LADDERS, THE COST OF THE LADDER.<br /><br />THE LADDER ON THE LEFT COSTS Rs 12,000/- AND THE LADDER ON THE RIGHT COSTS Rs 15,000/-<br /><br />IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT SOME VENDOR (AND, THEREFORE, PERHAPS ALL THE VENDORS) ARE MAKING HEFTY PROFITS ON THE COMPONENTS THAT THEY SUPPLY TO HAL.<br /><br />THESE LADDERS --- MADE OF SIMPLE STEEL TUBING --- CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE COST MORE THAN A COUPLE OF THOUSAND RUPEES TO MANUFACTURE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 600% PROFIT MARGINS HERE.<br /><br />AND THAT IS WHY THE COST OF THE HAL-BUILT SUKHOIs IS SO HIGH... AND THE LCA WILL COST Rs 200 CRORE EACH TO BUILD.<br /><br />Q.E.D.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1263291621438303512011-12-21T18:14:20.469-08:002011-12-21T18:14:20.469-08:00No way they flew that plane in the background.
An...No way they flew that plane in the background.<br /><br />And of course, they didnt fly the F35!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-49652878518046792462011-12-21T17:43:29.370-08:002011-12-21T17:43:29.370-08:00OK, spill the beans, kernel sahab.OK, spill the beans, kernel sahab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com