tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post1582711731572115517..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: After a decade of calm, army gears up for active borderBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-69015926317337935152014-10-13T18:28:37.844-07:002014-10-13T18:28:37.844-07:00@ Anonymous 19:35
Your comment smacks of a valley...@ Anonymous 19:35<br /><br />Your comment smacks of a valley-centric approach that is all too common in the army... which has little understanding of the routes into the valley from Jammu.<br /><br />There are several routes through the Pir Panjal passes that remain open even in winter. Infiltration from Samba follows routes up through Dhar-Udhampur and thence into the valley.<br /><br />Today, you are at a stage where militants are even infiltrating through Nepal and catching the bus up to Srinagar.<br /><br />So lift your head up from the border fence in 15 Corps and look around at the larger picture plz.<br />Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87820218643647070572014-10-13T07:05:51.236-07:002014-10-13T07:05:51.236-07:00@Unknown 23.31
Your comments reminds me of a famo...@Unknown 23.31<br /><br />Your comments reminds me of a famous neo-Freudian cum Transactional analyst by the name of Eric Berne who defined a phenomenon called "Now I have got you, you son of a Bitch" syndrome in his famous book "Games People Play" //Ha Ha Ha .. <br /><br />@Broadsword<br /><br />The general and almost final destination for infiltrators , I would say for most of them, is the valley. Even if one infiltrates from Samba or Rajouri to reach valley during winters, the intervening ranges, routes and passes remain closed. So what is the use of remaining stuck in Pir Punjal unless one infiltrates for tasks in Jammu, Rajouri or Kathua region. Which is the key area of decision for proxy war of Pakistan? It is the valley and if one has to reach there this present time happens to be the last time to infiltrate and not November December.<br /><br />Keep that in mind next time you propagate infiltration theories - particularly round the year infiltration theories.<br /><br />All the best..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21234088927493700802014-10-13T06:18:25.108-07:002014-10-13T06:18:25.108-07:00@ Unknown
I didn't have the Anonymous guy on ...@ Unknown<br /><br />I didn't have the Anonymous guy on the mat for a typo. Redcliff wasn't a type, it was ignorance.<br /><br />Your observation on my incorrect use of "your" instead of "you're" is gracefully accepted. This was a typo.<br /><br />:-)Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41903738312109656372014-10-13T05:45:22.570-07:002014-10-13T05:45:22.570-07:00I liked the article, just to see what the indians ...I liked the article, just to see what the indians are thinking. The interesting thing is that people in india are beginning to report truth. Like, it is not always pakistan that starts an event, especially not for the purpose that india claim's it to be, infiltration. <br /><br />For infiltration you want a quite front, with routine patrols, relaxed/bored soldiers listening to music and drinking. <br /><br />Here is a man that has some understanding of why Pakistan will never ever back down (its in the genes!)<br /><br />http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/10/12/pakistans-sharif-shows-the-way-to-modi/Zebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57724800929712104962014-10-13T04:46:42.977-07:002014-10-13T04:46:42.977-07:00Broadsword @ 8.20
"... your most welcome to ...Broadsword @ 8.20<br /><br />"... your most welcome to soothsay"<br /><br />I'm sure you meant to write "you're most welcome.." and not "your most welcome..." as you actually wrote.<br />Frankly, I could not resist being a grammar nazi considering you had that poor "anonymous' on the mat for a typo. Into each life some rain must fall, eh what?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00755499879418995746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84461962807627871182014-10-13T02:25:05.284-07:002014-10-13T02:25:05.284-07:00Dear Shuklaji
The previous Army Chief had said t...Dear Shuklaji <br /><br />The previous Army Chief had said that A Befitting Response has been Given to the Beheading Incident <br /><br />Could you tell us what was it <br /><br />Secondly If the Man Mohan Singh Govt wanted it could have GIVEN the SAME response in AUGUST LAST year when FIVE Indian soldiers were Killed ; that has been given NOW <br /><br />There have been reports that Indian Army's HANDS were tied up by the MMS Govt because of the PEACE process <br /><br />Today we are Reading about <br />1 Paki Infrastructure damaged<br />2 Our Soldiers JUBILIANT with the NEW found freedom to retaliate <br />3 Pakis getting rattled AND <br /> Running to the UN/ US<br /><br />So why did not the MMS govt do all<br />these things <br /><br />Instead it tried its best to APPEASE Pakistan and even give away Siachen <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83903058838617736352014-10-12T19:51:44.235-07:002014-10-12T19:51:44.235-07:00@ amol
Anonymous internet nivaasis need to be pre...@ amol<br /><br />Anonymous internet nivaasis need to be prepared to get some back, wouldn't you say?Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-33219967597397439232014-10-12T19:50:02.331-07:002014-10-12T19:50:02.331-07:00@ Unknown
Sorry, my friend, but I'm not about...@ Unknown<br /><br />Sorry, my friend, but I'm not about to "lighten up". Broadsword has a certain status and standard and I expect that of my visitors, just as they expect it of me.<br /><br />As for your observation that I wasn't good enough for the army since I never made it past Colonel... your most welcome to soothsay. But that wouldn't be an honest argument because I took premature retirement and was never considered for higher promotion.<br /><br />Your argument that I was "turfed out of mainstream media" only indicates your unfamiliarity with the media. Each article on this blog is published first in Business Standard, a newspaper that is widely regarded as a hallmark of media standards.<br /><br />You'll have to think up some better arguments.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87977067897218377132014-10-12T19:44:42.599-07:002014-10-12T19:44:42.599-07:00@ Anonymous 13:52 and 10:07
You’re trying to put ...@ Anonymous 13:52 and 10:07<br /><br />You’re trying to put Broadsword and its visitors correct on matters military? Be advised that I have worn the uniform for 26 years… and that most visitors to this blog (except for the ones who waste their time posting boastful comments) are experts in the field.<br /><br />Second, you DO need my permission to post comments on the blog. There is a feature on called “Comment Moderation” which I use to keep out racial abuse and obscenity. So each comment of yours is vetted by me and I give permission for its posting.<br /><br />As you can see, I don’t keep out opposing viewpoints. But I’m considering introducing a “Stupidity Bar”.<br /><br />You observe: “Correct spelling at best is the job of a Babu”! I’ll leave that to be rebutted by its own stupidity and lack of quality.<br /><br />Thirdly, nowhere does my article say that firing across the Working Boundary is “permitted”. That conclusion has come out of your own scrambled head.<br /><br />Fourthly, don’t display your ignorance by saying that the Working Boundary has been free of firing. There has been sustained firing across the Working Boundary for decades, whenever Indo-Pak tension rises.<br /><br />Do please keep commenting. It makes the other visitors look really good.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80373302444785237272014-10-12T14:36:51.582-07:002014-10-12T14:36:51.582-07:00Broadsword, excellent article as usual.
Now that ...Broadsword, excellent article as usual.<br /><br />Now that Modi et. al have established what I will call a "Disproportionate Response" to Paki provocation at the border, the next step becomes the crucial one:<br /><br />Facilitating the destruction of Pakistan.<br /><br />This is the only permanent way to eliminate deaths at the hand of Pakistan, for Pakistan is an irrational state that ****actually teaches its citizens that they've won wars (1947,65,71) they in truth lost***<br /><br />Pakistani wars are not simply based on desiring spoils of war, they are genuinely irrational and wars against India will always ***have*** to occur as long as Pakistan exists. Thus they have to be destroyed, and it should be done according to Art of War principles - namely, with as minimal loss of Indian lives as possible.<br /><br />Thus, besides Doval increasing intelligence assets within Pakistan, we should be looking at other means to foment civil war within Pakistan, including a relatively easy option of economic COMPETITION. We should be analyzing Pakistan economic data and looking to compete with them directly in industries where they are currently strong. With our superior resources and manpower, we can economically target their valuable industries without any warfare, weakening their economies and increasing the intensity of their multi-angle civil war.<br /><br />As for separatist movements, obviously we have to avoid the Islamists, giving *some* focus to Sindhis, Baloch, Mohajirs, perhaps South Punjabis. But it need not be much at all - the perception of assistance is almost just as important, since it will play into PakPunjabi paranoia and make them more vicious against those groups. Thus the main thrust of our intelligence should be better information on possible attacks and Jihadi entry into India, because if we repel them at the border with a "Disproportionate Response", the Jihadis will get frustrated within Pakistan and some of them will turn against the Pakistani state in that particular component of the civil war.<br /><br />All my opinion obviously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39024576014083404012014-10-12T11:01:25.887-07:002014-10-12T11:01:25.887-07:00@ Broadsword 7.11
Don't get your knickers in ...@ Broadsword 7.11<br /><br />Don't get your knickers in a twist. It is the reader's prerogative to comment if he so wishes and you should be the last one to set guidelines for this as long as it is not abusive, which it was clearly not. And as for him being uneducated, how did you arrive at this conclusion? Because of a typo? C'mon have a heart. That way, I could do a Freudian analysis of you based on your article and comment and arrive at the fact that you weren't good enough for the army having never made it past colonel and obviously not too good a journalist considering you were turfed out of mainstream media. Get what I mean? So lighten up.<br /><br />And of course, since I'm posting under a nom de plume you don't need to take me seriously.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00755499879418995746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54677455275031780462014-10-11T17:05:55.044-07:002014-10-11T17:05:55.044-07:00Even though India responded forcefully, the firing...Even though India responded forcefully, the firing has not stopped completely. The calibrated escalation seems as the main option but how far it can go? Is there any solid solution to this frequent problem?<br /><br />For example, is it possible to burn Sialkot with 155mm if Arnia comes under small arms and mortar fire repeatedly? There are many cities on the IB and LoC in Pakistan. If India proceeds with burning each of them, sector wise, if it is fired upon, will Pakistan rethink? <br /><br />Think about it, even Rawalpindi is within the VLAP/Smerch range. A grid wise shower of VLAP may neutralise Rawalpindi completely and drive the point home realistically. <br /><br />Will the next stage response be creative? Krishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40997198981997022302014-10-11T07:35:27.029-07:002014-10-11T07:35:27.029-07:00No one knows the inside stories of who started/sto...No one knows the inside stories of who started/stopped first, which is as it should be. However, what is clear is that the borders were far better managed by UPA than NDA. UPA gave us a big victory in 71 and thereafter kept it quite incident free. NDA allowed Kargil to happen (no one punished except a mere Brigadier - I thought the RM, Def Secy, and Army Chief would be sacked after war), and now this! Seems quite beyond BJP. Why do elections come so often, creating a need to appear 'macho'?Alok Asthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362507906160748320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26118848324522862932014-10-11T04:56:59.160-07:002014-10-11T04:56:59.160-07:00Excellent article Ajai. I don't know how long ...Excellent article Ajai. I don't know how long you were posted in Kashmir, but any predictions on future Pakistani behavior based on your experience or even from what you are hearing?<br /><br />As an aside, I know the comment was insulting, but do I detect you indulging in a bit of own "chutzpah." Internet and anonymity go hand in hand...don't you think so?amolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17850810134873977120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-56457485370256486922014-10-11T03:57:03.834-07:002014-10-11T03:57:03.834-07:00rpresTimmy Said :
Broadsword,
Your sword is quite...rpresTimmy Said :<br /><br />Broadsword,<br />Your sword is quite broad so far as your disinformation and writing style is concerned. Your broadness misses details for your absurdity and your overpowering prejudices.<br />Take only a few disinformation and prejudiced assertions-<br />• Boundary between Pathankot and Akhnur, 200 Km, is disputed ?? No Sir, the status of J& K may be disputed for India and Pakistan but not that particular boundary which is a byproduct of Redcliffe award who designated which all districts of erstwhile Punjab will be part of Pakistan even if those happened to lie acroos J&K. Or for that matter the LOC – is also not disputed. Both sides have agreed many times to respect these lines as borders till final solution of the status of J&K.<br />• If there is referendum in J&K and they decide to remain in India , do you mean the areas across so called “ working Boundary” in Pakistan will also be contested? <br /><br />• The stretch that is undefined is area north / ahead of NJ 9842.<br /><br />• Oh ! What will and who will decide the final status of J&K ? The Paki Army or Pakistan? You must be a nut to suggest that and justify firing by Pakistanis across the so called “Working Boundary” towards that objective. In that we are back to 1947. You and your Pakistani friends would never want that !<br /><br />• If areas you are claiming to be disputed and thereby having no boundary ( but working boundary as you claim) India would mount operations and take the entire areas of that portion of Punjab which falls opposite working boundary. But who would tell you that those ares under Pakistani possession are part of Radcliffe award between India and Pakistan and not necessarily between J&K and Pakistan!! By implication, therefore, JAKLI is free to mount operations there since J&K was not part of that award.<br /><br />• Look, the boundary of divided Punjab on Indian side stops at somewhere near Pathankot but boundary of divided Punjab of Radcliffe on Pakistan side stops somewhere opposite Akhnur. Hence, so far Radcliffe was concerned that was IB. That is the reason areas ahead of that is LOC and ares south of that is IB.<br /><br />• So does “Working boundary” makes the status of Pakistani Punjab also questionable ? As per you yes. If yes, Indian forces should mount operation across and claim it to be Indian territory ! Your Pakistani friends will kick your aft.<br />• In view of the above, your sarcastic remarks at Arun Jaitly’s statement is laughable.<br />It is because of the Colonels like you that Indian Army officers are not taken seriously but as laughing stocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50358230956601567532014-10-10T22:39:38.525-07:002014-10-10T22:39:38.525-07:00will the bjp govt provide combat uniforms , shoes ...will the bjp govt provide combat uniforms , shoes , helmets bpjs , modern multicalibre rifles , antimaterial and sniper rifles with day and night scopes , nvjs 3rd gen, uavs like american , french , german armies or willlike the chor congress let the solder rot with poor tin helmets , substandard bpjs , world war two lmgs , outdated rifles , poor clothing , shoes and 2nd gen scopes and nvjs . THE INDIAN ARMY COMPARED TO THE 3500 CRORES NAVYS SHIPS OR AIRFORCE 1000CRORES RAEFLES IS HOPELESSSLY EQUIPPED ENDANGERING LIVES OF OFFICERS AND JAWANS , BECAUSE ONLY THE POOREST OF THE POOR TODATYJOIN THE FORCES , NOT THE SONS OF POLITCANS , BABUS , IFS OR IPS OR CORRUPT BUSINESSMEN. THE GENERALS ARE EQUALLY TO BLAME FOR FOR THE POOR MATERIAL STATE AND THEIR RESPONSIBILTY AND ACCOUNTABILTY NEEDS TO BE FIXED ALONG WITH THE BABUS AND MINISTERS .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48915183899942634662014-10-10T21:37:52.793-07:002014-10-10T21:37:52.793-07:00@Broadsword ! 13:52
Bull-shitting is the last res...@Broadsword ! 13:52<br /><br />Bull-shitting is the last resort of ?????<br /><br />I do come to your blog and that is my choice, damn it. you should encourage that. Most of the time I comment to put you and your readers correct on "matters military" which you seem to be trying to learn now. I do not need permission for that. putting my comment on your blogs, though is your prerogative. However, I do need permission to post with my name and not that I am scared of you.<br /><br />How many times have I told you not to bullshit the commentators and prove that you were educated in an elite English school followed by elite DE educating NDA. I do think that is a big deal. I for one was educated in a very reputed university.<br /><br />Correcting spelling at best is the job of a Babu...and comments is hardly an item for proof reading. what I attempted was correcting you on facts and exposing your naïve attempt to justify that firing across "working boundary" is permitted.. !! and it is not diplomatic violation - the stand which is ridiculously taken by Pakistan to keep the dispute alive.. or enlarge the scope of the dispute.<br /><br />So far this so called IB or working boundary has been held inviolable by both the sides even during or after the wars and is <br />non negotiable. you will know how sensitive is this area is for both the sides and Pakistan's attempt to flare it up is nothing short of inciting a war. That is what I wished you informed your readers rather than being a Pakistani apologist contemplating a Biryani night in Lahore in near future.. and then informing your readers like me how tasty the Biryani was.<br /><br />I shall be on and keep troubling you by my comments for the benefit of your readers..<br /><br />Best regards...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57985892742435510552014-10-10T21:27:08.924-07:002014-10-10T21:27:08.924-07:00Modi was made to look weak over recent Chinese inc...Modi was made to look weak over recent Chinese incursions. Hence he needs to take tougher line on pakistan.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57452270383118246302014-10-10T21:03:49.792-07:002014-10-10T21:03:49.792-07:00Ajayji,
Could you please share your insights on t...Ajayji,<br /><br />Could you please share your insights on the Neelam Valley incident or point me to a page other than wiki which details what had happened.<br /><br />-regards,<br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-25854308511571980642014-10-10T18:41:18.491-07:002014-10-10T18:41:18.491-07:00@ Anonymous 13:52
If you have to try and appear e...@ Anonymous 13:52<br /><br />If you have to try and appear educated, first learn to spell. It is Radcliffe, not Redcliff.<br /><br />Secondly, go back and read the article again. I am not "justifying Pakistani firing" (or frequently our own firing) across the "Working Boundary". All I am doing is informing the readers about this fine distinction since many are not aware of this.<br /><br />You don't HAVE to post. It's okay to come to my blog (as you clear do), read my articles (as you clearly do), try and understand them (as you clearly do NOT) and then buzz off without posting something that displays your ignorance.<br /><br />Also, if you have an identity, use it. People who criticising as Anonymous posters are seldom taken seriously.<br />Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23442419469655209712014-10-10T01:22:48.715-07:002014-10-10T01:22:48.715-07:00Colonel,
Again being an apologist for his Pakista...Colonel,<br /><br />Again being an apologist for his Pakistani Friends. Redcliff is a history and many accords / agreements exist between the two country that clearly lays down the boundaries between the two countries- call it cease fire line. LOC, working boundaries or whatever. That so called "working boundry " has a recognition and status of its own as recognized so vide Suchetgarh agreement and Shimala agreement. Tell me what the agreements between the two countries tell about that so called "working boundary" ? It is a boundary all right till it remains under Indian control.<br />If it was not, pray tell me why Indian forces withdrew from across this line in 1965 and 1971.<br /><br />From Indian perspective we claim the entire boundary of J&K state including that lies beyond Gilgit and Northern areas as the Indian boundary. There is nothing called "Working Boundary" from Indian point of view as that boundary is well recognized by both the states and internationally.<br /><br />You are justifying Pakistani side firing across this line simply because it happened to the boundary between erstwhile Punjab and state of J&K. From Indian perspective, we have a boundary and LOC in the state of J&K with Pakistan. That is a boundary as both sides did not kept the areas their under their control post the two wars. Is not that good enough for you as the historical fact and evidence that you wish to dispute it today to support Pakistani view ?<br /><br />Some people never improve ..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-24619446417400100712014-10-09T19:56:15.613-07:002014-10-09T19:56:15.613-07:00Excellent Article!!! One needs to be powerful to e...Excellent Article!!! One needs to be powerful to ensure peace.. India is doing just thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-25286070506827968642014-10-09T13:30:20.304-07:002014-10-09T13:30:20.304-07:00Laton Ke Bhoot Baton Se Nahi Mante hain. Glad that...Laton Ke Bhoot Baton Se Nahi Mante hain. Glad that we have strong govt. in India this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2306580158141393252014-10-09T08:16:48.585-07:002014-10-09T08:16:48.585-07:00Thanks for explaining what it means when we read, ...Thanks for explaining what it means when we read, "ceasefire violation by Pakistan". RgdsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14810413046777440985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1349095268277127152014-10-09T06:25:24.404-07:002014-10-09T06:25:24.404-07:00Thank you for clarifying that an active border dis...Thank you for clarifying that an active border disrupts India's counter-infiltration grid. It appears that many peaceniks in the media would carry the water for Pakistan, regardless of strategic and long term costs to India.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com