tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post1232692599550143379..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Eurofighter to put in revised price bid: MoD declines commentBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1357394358223146372012-02-25T05:10:19.541-08:002012-02-25T05:10:19.541-08:00Hi Ajai,
I think it would better if journalists l...Hi Ajai,<br /><br />I think it would better if journalists like use ask questions like<br /><br />1) Did the french not putting sanctions during nuclear test help rafale case?<br /><br /> ( any obvious yes here, r might be)<br /><br />2) So does it look like any sanctions on india economic or anyother are taken into consideration to give business?<br /><br />( any obvious yes here)<br /><br />you drive the case, not to messup with India and loose business.. so that next time in future ,they are bit careful and think before any sanctionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-31024147556356596422012-02-18T19:51:03.470-08:002012-02-18T19:51:03.470-08:00Its all over for the Eurofighter as far as MMRCA i...Its all over for the Eurofighter as far as MMRCA is concerned. After Rafale's win in India other countries like Brazil and UAE are likely to choose the French fighter. Some of the Arab nations like Kuwait and Qatar may soon join the UAE in opting for the Dassault Rafale and Switzerland will reconsider their decision to buy the Gripen. If these contracts are secured byFrance then the future of their aircraft is secure at least upto 2030.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81737748284415268312012-02-10T07:20:54.026-08:002012-02-10T07:20:54.026-08:00Colonel, there is an news article on defpro.com b...Colonel, there is an news article on defpro.com by Loren Thompson titled why India didnt choose F-35 as their next fighter? you are an avid supporter of the JSF for the MMRCA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66719189838112541142012-02-10T05:36:46.188-08:002012-02-10T05:36:46.188-08:00British made a costly mistake by overpricing the E...British made a costly mistake by overpricing the EFT. Now India can not make another costlier mistake by rejecting the Rafale which is a real omnirole fighter better than EFT in almost all respects.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3397254080112505802012-02-09T20:31:13.038-08:002012-02-09T20:31:13.038-08:00Two clear differences between the two planes (this...Two clear differences between the two planes (this is a conjecture, but pretty likely is true)-<br /><br />Typhoon is the better weapon system for the IAF. But Rafale provides more benefits (substantially) to the Indian Industry, including our very own LCA. Explanation- <br /><br />Take just one example- Samtel. They will be supplying avionics displays for the upgraded Mirage 2000s and now for the Rafale. In a sense, strenghthening Samtel, means streghthening our very own LCA supply chain. Since LCA also uses displays etc. mfg by Samtel!<br /><br />With this overview, plus the fact either of the Typhoon or Rafale have longevity close to each other (even though Typhoon may be better here, but not so significnatly)....<br />....Rafale may be the right choice. Cheaper as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9810891211945066572012-02-09T15:21:03.034-08:002012-02-09T15:21:03.034-08:00I hope the choice of IAF is respected by MOD and w...I hope the choice of IAF is respected by MOD and whichever aircraft that they havev finalised should be the final word in MMRCA deal irresoective of the price wars and geopolitical equations with the other suppliers.Ravindrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10162581478752869090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30887125314191039912012-02-09T09:52:33.091-08:002012-02-09T09:52:33.091-08:00So as in ingrained in their blood... the british w...So as in ingrained in their blood... the british was in the fore front... to loot india... by over quoting... for the typhoon... as they did for... more than 2 centuries... Anglo Saxon's... in east of atlantic and... to its west... can't be... trusted...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36827668847211304322012-02-09T08:46:01.905-08:002012-02-09T08:46:01.905-08:00@ Anon - 21:17 and others...
I don't believe ...@ Anon - 21:17 and others...<br /><br />I don't believe anyone is suggesting that we shouldn't buy British because they colonized us 400 years ago! What we as Indians should have a problem with is with the British politicians, public and media behaving like kids in a "Gali" cricket match - "I get to bat first or else I am going home with my cricket gear" ! <br />It was fair game for them to bid lower than Dassault. That they didn't and now they hit back as if they were entitled to win despite their higher price contrary to the rules of the competition. <br />Here are a few good reasons why a deal with France makes sense : <br /><br />(i) The French are not fair weather friends like the United States or Britain. They stood by us in times of need and we can count on them more than the Brits or the Germans.<br />(ii) There is more on the table from the French side than meets the eye - guarantees of TOT on civilian nuclear applications and assured guaranteed supplies of nuclear fuel for our reactors,complete and unquestionable support for India's bid for a permanent membership of the U.N security council, technological assistance with nuclear submarine design and development, TOT on radars and missiles and on and on. Britain for all its bluster cannot even dream of matching what the French have brought to the table - period !<br /><br />(iii) The Rafale has proven its worth in the AF-Pak & Libya campaigns arguable much better that the Eurofighter.<br /><br />(iv) While the EFT is a marginally newer platform, disagreements amongst its partner nations over funding and design tenets will dog its future development programs. India cannot afford to be held hostage to such grid-lock over a major defense acquisition program.<br />The Brits themselves have voted with their money against the EFT program by quietly removing funding from it and transferring it towards funding the development of the F-35. So why are they barking ? <br />There have been widely publicized reports over the unavailability of spares for the RAF's Euro-fighters during the Libya campaign. Haven't we learned our lessons with the Russian MiGs to realize how big of a red flag that is ? The IAF never had problems with spares for its Mirages. Even so we needed to jerry-rig the Mirages with Israeli weaponry during Kargil, Dassault & Thales engineers were on the ground in a matter of days to get the Mirages up in the sky loaded with precision guided ammunition to blast away enemy bunkers ! That's the kind of support you want from a supplier - not hollow rhetoric !<br /><br />(vi) The IAF operates a fleet of Mirages and the ground infrastructure and resources required for the upkeep of the Rafale fleet would be incremental. This is likely to reflect favorably in lower cost of ownership over the lifetime of the <br />jets. <br /><br />Some including Col. Shukla has suggested that India should have cancelled the MMRCA program and done an FMS deal with the U.S for the F-35. I respectfully disagree with that assessment for a few reasons. First off, the F-35 wasn't and still hasn't been offered to India by the U.S. <br />Two, even if India were to be offered the F-35 at a future date, India as a late entrant to the game would only get a back-row seat that could push the date of induction of the first F-35 closer to 2020, hardly something that we can afford, given our geostrategic <br />compulsions. <br /><br />All in all I believe that the Rafale is indeed a smart choice for the IAF and satisfies amply the pressing needs of the Indian air force and the country.Subhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004604247421013343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47939956350176218462012-02-09T07:47:26.614-08:002012-02-09T07:47:26.614-08:00I think Rafale and Typhoon are both over priced, a...I think Rafale and Typhoon are both over priced, and I hope this deal gets cancelled as it's a total waste of money... with elections looming over, there is a good chance of that happening. However, if the deal is to go forward, I think MOD can review the revised Typhoon bid, and use that to negotiate with the French and see if they too can lower their price.<br /><br />Regarding, some folks feeling that we should not buy british as they colonized us, I would like to remind them that French too had colonies in India.... Just a gentle reminder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81282981321132704102012-02-09T01:58:48.563-08:002012-02-09T01:58:48.563-08:00If the Eurofiasco Typhoon is so good then why the ...If the Eurofiasco Typhoon is so good then why the British and the Italians are investing all their money in the F-35.<br /><br /><br />The truth is Eurofiasco Typhoon monorole aircraft is a gigantic failure as an aircraft and as a program. This money pit offers very little and takes a lot.<br /><br /><br />Last but not least, all Typhoon exports have been tainted by corruption allegations (Saudi Arabia : SFO investigation canceled by Tony Blair, Austria : investigation currently on going).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22498437729306901672012-02-09T00:05:00.254-08:002012-02-09T00:05:00.254-08:00@ajai sir
Its simply like 'confabulation'...@ajai sir<br /><br />Its simply like 'confabulation' of a man who lost a deal and will possibly his post in the near future.<br /><br />India and France are working on some current and future deals like Scorpene, Super Scorpene, Baracuda SSN, MICA missile, Mirage 2000 upgrade, sale of UAE Mirage 2000 to India(possibly). The Rafale deal will definately hasten or smoothen other deals.<br /><br />If we had selected Typhoon I cant see anything in which we would have gained so many advantages.<br /><br />Someone needs to tell this man 'enough is enough' accept defeat<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Joydeep Ghoshjoydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63363835600165087572012-02-08T23:13:20.292-08:002012-02-08T23:13:20.292-08:00I am sure the MOD is not going to accept this sele...I am sure the MOD is not going to accept this selective unsolicited bid. If it does, the whole procedure will be back to square one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7602157794542750472012-02-08T22:46:02.418-08:002012-02-08T22:46:02.418-08:00The MMRCA competition is not over Typhoon can stil...The MMRCA competition is not over Typhoon can still win if their revised bid which would be lower than that of the Rafale is accepted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73413519801333137422012-02-08T22:34:27.862-08:002012-02-08T22:34:27.862-08:00@Anon 07.13,
If need be the French would wipe it ...@Anon 07.13,<br /><br />If need be the French would wipe it to win this contract and UK too would be in line!<br />Such comments are typical.<br />As if India is the only way that spends on defense.<br />At least we have compulsions given our neighborhood.<br />What compulsions does the UK have,especially after the end of the cold war.<br />Rather than spend their money on galavanting around the world in Afghanistan, Iraq holding on to the coat tails of USA, the UK could spend the same billions on its NHS or lowering university fees for its students or or paying their teachers decently.<br /><br /><br /><br />UK is acting in its typical character of perfidy.<br /><br />Lets hope our ministry does not not fall into the trap being laid by teh EF lobby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40217038991398801932012-02-08T22:29:06.347-08:002012-02-08T22:29:06.347-08:00DPP does allow submission of a revised price bids ...DPP does allow submission of a revised price bids after the quote has been opened. If that would be the case then the RFP would have to be re-issued to all the vendors again. This would derail the induction of the aircraft. In all fairness don't think the Indian Govt would allow this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3491418501309816852012-02-08T21:26:10.374-08:002012-02-08T21:26:10.374-08:00Col., you have been such a vocal critic of the IAF...Col., you have been such a vocal critic of the IAF's MMRCA acquisition program , yet you failed to grill the gentleman and ask him the difficult questions while you had his attention ! If I were you I would ask the following : <br /><br />(i) If the Brits are so hell bent on making the point that the EFT is the best combat aircraft in the world for the money, why are they reducing their contracted numbers while keeping their JSF numbers unaltered in the face of rising costs for that platform ? <br /><br />(ii) Does he not get the point that the window of submitting their final price proposals has passed. By offering to lower the price now, it doesn't help them any more except it just gives more leverage for price negotiations to the Indians with the French. <br /><br />(iii) Why has the British executive branch been so hysterical in their over reaction over the loss? Can they not put two and two together and realize that this is payback for what the card they played against India at the behest of the United States after the nuclear tests India performed in 1998 ? The French and the Russians stood by us then - not a single red faced Britt ! So why this sense of entitlement? The Indians are not their slaves any more ! <br />Do they also not realize that such vituperative and vitriolic commentary in the British parliament and the British media is not helping matters but making it worse.Subhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004604247421013343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68676223780517468332012-02-08T19:54:59.407-08:002012-02-08T19:54:59.407-08:00Did the Brits hear about DPP ? L1 is L1, that'...Did the Brits hear about DPP ? L1 is L1, that's the rule. Why not offering a more attractive bid from the beginning ? Does that mean they wanted India to pay much more than the actual cost ? Nonsense.Obiwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7222359765976493102012-02-08T17:43:02.314-08:002012-02-08T17:43:02.314-08:00And half of India defecated in public..... What a ...And half of India defecated in public..... What a shame. <br />French must be laughing at third rate IndiansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com